OT. Ford Lightning. Battery F150

May 20, 2021 Last reply: 5 years ago 279 Replies

That is a very simple statement and I have no argument against it.

If everyone thought that all they had to do was say so. Instead there were many reasons EV is no good, can't be charged, house has to be rewired, the farm won't work, can't visit family,

Good point about government intervention, just like the original automobile. The auto companies and dealers with private funds build the highways to drive them on. They did it to promote sales.

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WRGB itself has history behind it:

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My uncle had a radio store that morphed into radio and TV so we had a TV with a massive 12" screen.

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Glendora was another homegrown live show. Satellites were a big thing in '57 and Satellite Six was too good a name to pass up.

Then there was Teenage Barn

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It was a different world.

The difference is someone can bring you a gallon or 2 of gas but you are not walking to the charging station and bringing back a can of kilowatts.

While you are in DC at the patent office, locking down that hydrogen perpetual motion machine, drive down 14th street and see the people at USDA about that water Iowa isn't using.

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I have been hearing about that peak oil boogie man since the Carter administration. We are supposed to be out now. I agree it will happen some day but we will be out of a lot of stuff by then.

Corn needs to be "knee high by the 4th of July" according to my Indiana inlaws. Otherwise you may not get the crop in.

Nobody was giving you a taxpayer funded check to buy a Model T and Rockefeller did not get a subsidy to put a gas station in every hick town.

Did you forget the Cash for Clunkers program?

I noticed a couple differences between Iowa and Nebraska irrigation. Check valves, back flow preventers, are standard equipment on Nebraska irrigation wells. Flowmeters are too. Some Iowa well don't have those. The local natural resources district just got done measuring groundwater levels in the observation wells. The level is

9 feet above the 1978 levels. Mandatory allocation would kick in if the levels get back down to the 1978 levels.

That is funny. I recall in the Carter gas crunch having a can of gas in the trunk. I guess with an electric car you could carry an extra charged battery.

Yeah, great program. Get rid of affordable used cars by destroying them. Poor people can walk.

In other words, you can't be bothered to read the above links and comment intelligently on them.

Try this free textbook, written by a working physicist.

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You obviously don't understand chemistry or stochiometry or EROEI, or you'd not make silly comments about perpetual motion machines.

did you read the link you cited? Iowa irrigated 170,000 acres out of 30 million acres. Literally a drop in the bucket. My 'zilch' comment was incorrect, yes, I should have said that 0.5% of the agricultural acreage of the state was irrigated. My bad, but the point still stands that the corn grown in iowa is grown primarily from natural rainfall.

When we get farther toward the end of that curve, I expect governments around the world to start some serious hoarding so they can keep their respective military forces going. Who knows, though, maybe battery technology will have advanced to the point where (unmanned) fighter jets can be EVs.

I got $5,000 ($4500 plus the scrap value and tax incentives) for a 25 year old F-150 with over 200,000 miles on it.

That still has nothing to do with what we are talking about. The car business was 100 years old when Obama was giving out tax money to buy higher gas mileage cars. You were also getting almost twice that amount ($7500) if you bought anything electric plus your "clunker" money for the trade.

Reminds me of a guy I know worked for GM and got a new truck every couple of years. I drove him berserk when he drove up in his new truck when I told him he must have taken advantage of the cash for clunkers program.

I was just pointing out your misleading or intentionally incorrect statement that you got twice as much energy out of breaking open water and putting it back together again. In fact, as the laws of thermodynamics dictate, you lose a little even if your process was 100% efficient.

OK then we are still left with the inefficiency of producing Ethanol.

"If we sum the energy needed for production of corn and ethanol conversion and distribution processes we end up with a total expenditure of 68,206BTUs/gal. A gallon of ethanol contains

76,300BTUs/gal" Stanford U. That is as rosy a picture as I can find. Some guesses make it closer to break even.

Government money to subsidize the auto industry. Put whatever spin you want but there it is.

Steal a dime, steal a dollar, it is still theft.

What I said, in the context of the thread, had noting to do with replacement batteries, moron. Learn to read, then to think.

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No, carrying a battery wouldn't be useful. EVs run on hundreds of volts and require a lot of power, something a small battery isn't capable of doing, even for a little while.

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