On Tue, 25 May 2021 16:01:14 -0400, Tekkie© posted for all of us to digest...
I put a little more thought into this post. One can't ignore the fact that these batteries are rated for 600 volts and high amperage. That will more than melt your monkey wrench. I think we all have to stay tuned...
OK, then get it changed. Once the restrictions on ICE cars is lifted we can forget all of this. Let me know when it happens. There is science behind it if you look. Plenty of arguments about how EVs are no better but that is changing. It takes time to refine things.
I'm not abolishing gasoline but we will run out at some point, likely 40 to 50 years from now. Meantime, lets take steps for what we know is coming, EV vehicles, like it or not. The less we use now, the longer it will last for those combines you have.
Once the soon to be here problem is solved we can take care of the farm. If oil use is reduced the farm problem can be delayed. It is all working together.
WTF does China have to do with us driving cars. You keep bringing a straw man into it. We can ask but we cannot make China do anything. Lets keep on topic.
If we used more rail we would use cars less, a good thing. I'm not suggesting mandates for it, you are.
We don't have to mandate grounding airplanes. Lack of jet fuel will do that in 50 years.
Unfortunately, until you get those mandates changed we have to move forward. Complaining about you cannot charge your EV when you visit your brother is silly because that is an easily solved problem by the time comes. Business is working on it.
When the time comes, industry will come up with farm equipment that is either electric or mule powered but we don't have to do that yet.
Your position or my position on the mandates does not matter. What matters is real life and we have to deal with it and make life as good as possible. Let me know when you get them changed.
If you want to stop China from polluting, stop buying stuff from them. The less they make, the less they pollute.
BTW. I do not own an electric car yet. If I had two cars, one may be. I drove one and was quite impressed with many aspects of it, especially how the AC worked on a sunny 90+ day.
It would create a whole different design criteria, basically building the car around a particular battery and some vehicles like the F-150 might actually use 2 but I see it as a niche market. It will be more expensive and fraught with opportunities for fraud.
They will always be worse with some things like range with decent occupant comfort and refuel times.
That isnt true with no longer wasting all that natural gas heating houses, food and water, that is already better done with nukes with no downsides at all.
It isnt certain that the EV route is best, in fact it?s the worst.
Just as true of the nuke route.
Works much better with nukes.
That timescale remains to be seen and doesn?t exist with oil synthesised with the energy from nukes anyway,
It will actually grow the fuel. That works fine now.
Pity about what that does to the range.
A bunch cut.
More cut.
The world will need a lot of critical materials if we go to EVs if this is right.
" Indeed, a global energy transition like the one President Biden insists upon will send the need for critical materials skyrocketing by 2040:
Lithium: +4,200% Graphite: +2,500% Nickel: +1,900% Rare-earths: +700%
The U.S. is setting itself up for major geopolitical risk: according to the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, China provides more than 85% of the world?s rare-earths and holds 67% of the global supply of scarce metals and minerals. The U.S. itself imports some 80% of its rare-earths from China.
China also controls the supply chains, utilizing its widening Belt and Road Initiative that now encompasses 45 countries (more aptly termed ?partners?). We have already seen the devastation that such Chinese supply dominance can bring. If we don?t start thinking more strategically, we are on a path toward cartel dependence. Given the urgency of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, this is a possibility that we simply cannot afford."
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We looked at that when we were starting our car hunt. It seems like the useful life of the battery is 8 years or so. The rebuilts are not much cheaper than aftermarket batteries and YMMV on the quality of the cells they use in either. Not surprisingly, out around 8 years the value of a hybrid seems to fall off by about as much as a battery costs, installed. I was also surprised a Prius is not all that popular on the used market. Bear in mind this was a month ago. Car prices have gone absolutely nuts since then and the "Stealers" seem to be the worst. Duplicating the Ford I bought in early May cost me $2000 more from Avis (a virtual clone) and they were the cheapest place I found. The same car from the Honda dealer a year older, 6000 more miles was $2000 higher than that.
Totally irrelevant but keep guessing.
That was the big warning that permeated every web site I read about replacing the battery yourself. It was not only the danger to yourself but to the electronics in the car if you did something wrong. Everyone, even some sites catering to DIY guys said pay the man.
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They've been saying 40-50 year for at least 40-50 years and there is more now than there was 40-50 years ago.
40-50 years ago "they" said we'd be in an ice age now. Nope. 40-50 years ago, "they" said we'd have nuclear fusion by now. Nope. 40-50 years ago, "they" said we'd all be starving because of overpopulation now. Nope. "They" don't have a very good track record.Hardly. We're using about as much rail as possible now. Intermodal has made it possible.
We're quite capable of mule power. It gets messy for commuting, though.
It's hard not to buy from them. Our businesses and government have made it all but impossible.
Used electrics seem to be quite cheap now. It might be worth buying one as a beater.
Hybrid batteries are probably not that big but I read Tesla batteries a half a ton
Yep. nuke powered combines. Where can I buy one?
Right. Where can I buy some of that? I want to see how my car runs on it. What is the cost per gallon?
Ethanol may be part of a solution.
Why? If it gets me where I want to go, it does not matter. If range drops from 300 miles to 200 miles I can still make my 20 mile trip today. Non-issue for most of us.
The average commute to work in the US is 16 miles, or a 32 mile round trip. For most, no problem.
I don't doubt any of that. However, scientist and engineers are working on solutions to not need those materials It will affect us on many things, not just EVs.
They're used to harvest 30', glowing, ears of corn.
If anyone believes in free energy, there's always hydrogen.
We know how to do that. No need to waste time or money on it now.
But not my 1200mi trip, or the 500mi trip next month.
But we don't buy a car for each task. One has to do it all.
Then there's the environmental devastation caused by the mining operations. No one cares, though, because it's in China. One of the reasons much of our manufacturing has moved.
When we were making aircraft strobe lights some were soda glass and some were quartz glass. Oxy-acetylene is fine for soda but you need the higher temperature of an oxy-hydrogen flame to blow the quartz tubes. So we made arrangements to have a tube trailer spotted on site. This required a permit.
That's when I learned that in a free association test if you say hydrogen the response is 'bomb'. Arguably the hydrogen was safer than the tanks of LOX and acetylene but it has a bad rap.
That does highlight a problem with hydrogen. The tubes have to handle around 3000 psi so you're not getting a whole lot of hydrogen in a traditional steel tube rig. Composites help but it's still a problem.
Never said it is perfect for everyone in every circumstance. I make a
2499 mile trip a few times a year and no, I'd rather not do it in an electric with present range.Many do. I now have one car but for years I had two. Would be easy to use one for the long trips and the other for the short stuff. Good friend of mine has two cars. One gets an occasional 100 mile run, the other never goes more than 20 miles.
Just because it does not suit your every need does not mean it is not the perfect car for others. I know a guy that does not even have a car. Two or three times a year he rents one. Just as I know people with pickups and the most it ever carries is two bags of groceries.
Seems like people have a once or twice a year circumstance and therefor nix the idea for everyone. Makes no sense, you are smarter than that.
For Bob Dylan's 80th birthday, I'll quote from one of his earlier songs:
"They complained in the East, They are paying too high. They say that your ore ain't worth digging. That it's much cheaper down In the South American towns Where the miners work almost for nothing."
North Country Blues.
I'm sure the Thacker Pass lithium mine will be environmentally sensitive. Don't matter. A tourist in his Tesla would have to be very, very lost to ever happen by. afaik the nearest whorehouse and casino is in Winnemucca.
I always got a chuckle out of the sign in the whorehouse parking lot. 'Bull haulers, please park your rigs elsewhere'. I guess nothing spoils the mood more than a bull wagon full of cows.
I think the first responders may need a refresher course...
Hydrogen is safer. It's very difficult to get hydrogen to explode. Since it's much lighter than air, it dissipates quickly and won't "pool".
Sure, it's a problem but the range should be equivalent to EVs and a whole lot easier to fill.
Fix all that and it's still not a good fuel. Energy isn't free.
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