Not looking good for the Bosch Reaxx TS

They fail too. The lines look perfect, but where they pass through the clips that hold them to the chassis they rust through. A squirt of "fluid film" at each clip twice a year will make them last forever. Fuel lines too

Impossible to pump it dry because it is a split reservoir too - but if you blow the front system and the rear is out of adjustment (extremely common - auto adjusters stuck and rear brakes not serviced - or handbrake never used - required to operate the adjusters) and there is not enough volume pumped from the bottomed rear piston to fully apply the rear brakes. If you don't "brain freeze" and get a second pump in, you have a chance to slow down, if not totally stop

Killing off their customers would not seem a good way to prevent cars from lasting forever. Bumpers, rocker panels, quarter panels tailgate cables etc. rusting out would seem a better way to go than brake failure, at least to me...

I'm certainly not too worried about VW fudging a bit on the MPG, yet they get fined a $Billion or so for that.

I think GM should be fined a few Billion for the faulty brake system on their cars, and VW should just get mentioned on page 20 of the Washington Post.

Yes, he was punning me for using break instead of brake, and I was punning him back for using thinK instead of thinG. Tit for tat so to speak...

EVERYONE types incorrect words when their brain is let loose on it's own. ThinK instead of thinG is really common, but break instead of brake, hall instead of hall, and maid instead of made are common examples of brains running wild. Leon used maid instead of made in the very next message after Clare screwed up his pun on me. No biggie, only the really anal get their undies in a bunch, sort of the same ones that hyperventilate over punctuation and spelling. I find it most interesting when they misspell/misuse words in the very post they are pointing out others errors, just as happened to Clare.

I should have said "I think you might be over thinging this" That would have been a better "pun"

Ever notice how the punster is the only one who thinks his pun is actually funny? ;)

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In my youth I rebuilt plenty of them. Rebuilt plenty of engines as well. Still, I never replaced brake fluid as routine maintenance ever, never had a garage or dealer advise me to have brake fluid replaced either. My GM dealer last time I was there had a 5 foot sign advising to have your cooling system flushed and new anti freeze for some ridiculous price, but not a word on replacing brake fluid.

Perhaps their keeping it a secret so your brake lines will rust out and they'll sell more cars when you run into the back of another car. Just another planned obsolescence scheme?

Thy must not be made of stainless, as we now know how that rusts.

One that makes them not rust out. Your local stainless steel manufacture will gladly help them out. I could tell them but no reason on earth they can't find out from a better source.

Perhaps a few $Billion in fines would help them compromise on the side of a safe braking system, rather than $billions for fudging on MPG...

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The first time my lines failed my SIL borrowed my truck to pick up a load of granite block. He and my daughter backed out of the driveway, and the pedal went down almost to the floor. He drove 40 miles 20 with a heavy load and luckily got back, telling me my brakes sucked. I checked and immediately knew half the brakes were gone, and it was rusted brake lines.

$700 later all was well, I thought. Turns out the jerks at the garage missed two lines and 3 months later, one of those burst. Luckily, I was driving at night on a secluded road rather than in traffic. Breaking distance with half a system works, but really poorly. I had forgot something and hit my brakes to turn in a road to turn around, and sailed right past it when the brakes semi failed. Had I been in traffic things could have been bad...

I pretty much told my SIL the same thing.

Anyway, How can you pump it dry? The dual systems are isolated and to pump them both dry you'd need a leak in both systems. While that could happen, it would be highly unusual.

Puns are rated upon the groan factor by me.

On 2/17/2017 10:57 AM, Jack wrote: Snip

Don't take this like I am ganging up on you. ;~)

A billion dollar fine for an auto manufacturer for a brake problem that I was never aware of when I was in that business, service manager of an Oldsmobile dealer. And this may actually be more common in recent years but up until 1995 not really a thing except in isolated cases.

How about a billion dollar fine against all TS manufacturers that did not care about our safety enough to build a safer saw when they had the opportunity. I will give you the possibility that it may have been expensive. But giving you that, the brand that out sells all others in the USA pretty much is the most expensive saw in it's class.

Has anyone heard of someone that has been injured on a non SawStop TS? Yeah....;~) Has any one heard of some one that has been injured on a SawStop. Not so far, by me.

And actually it was not meant as a pun. Not meant to be funny.

I had to look up "Fluid Film", which appears to be a water repellant waxy lubricant. The clips are a typical environment for crevice corrosion and something like Fluid Film would potentially be a good countermeasure.

The solution is simple rally. You just have to use a non-corrosive material. I had my brake lines gold plated. So far, no corrosion. Looks good when the car is up on a lift too!

Not just potentially - has been for decades. It is a lanolin based thixotropic lubricant. Being thixotropic it stays in place, but works itself into any spot where there is movement between parts. It contains NO SOLVENTS so it never really dries. It has been used in industry for many years and has been the "go to" spray lubricant for fussy mechanics for close to

Or perhaps you don't listen?

Everyone else thinks he should get punished.

Seems it would be good to use on the inner workings of a table saw. Thoughts on that?

All the drum brakes I'm familiar with are adjusted by hitting the brakes while traveling in reverse. Each event indexes the star adjuster by one notch. Parking brakes, as used with drums, merely mechanically apply force to a lever on the drum mechanism, no effect on the adjuster.

-BR