Gas shortage UK

[Commander Kinsey]

You're not still a f****ng believer are you? What made you go nuts?

[corvid]

You'd rather not have disclosures upfront? He sounds like someone I'd be comfortable buying a house from.

[Commander Kinsey]

Obama or Pence?

[Commander Kinsey]

They offer more sense than the left wing thieves.

[danny burstein]

My parents old apartment in NYC had a "natural gas [a]" fired refrigerator which yes, had a small flame doing that whole ammonia deal, back in the 1960's. I wish I could have held onto it...

[a] well, it probably dated from the 1930's, so was originally working on "town" or "manufactured" gas, and hopefully retrofitted to natural gas in the 1950's when NYC switched over.

[Commander Kinsey]

And if it hadn't been retrofitted?

[Ed Pawlowski]

You can still buy one.

[Scott Lurndal]

Methane (CH4) has always been bad, no matter what state you live in.

Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in small lawn equipment, very polluting.

Using the same methods as electricity, except the heat comes from the propane and has no moving parts.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Oil is finite. What is your plan? When should it kick in?

[danny burstein]

[snip]

Mismatching of natural gas and air ratio, leading to ugly consequences such as soot, carbon monoxide, and other nasties.

(Ditto of using an oven/stove/heater designed for propane on natural gas and vice versa. On most of these it's a simple replacement of the gas orifice. I've worked in areas where there was natural gas in the town, propane tanks outside.

All the licensed, experienced, insured plumbers knew the deal, as did their qualified assistants. But all too often someone would pick up a furnace, etc., that was set for the other fuel and not adjust is...)

[Commander Kinsey]

Handy for camping I presume.

[Commander Kinsey]

And f****ng noisy. Just get an electric mower and get into the current century.

With electricity a pump is used, not a heater.

[Commander Kinsey]

When it's running out the cost will sort things.

[Commander Kinsey]

The only gas appliance I had put the exhaust outdoors. I don't care if there's carbon monoxide out there. Something with the exhaust inside is going to give you a lack of oxygen and a lot of CO2, not good for breathing.

[danny burstein]

In [e-mail] "Commander Kinsey" [e-mail] writes: [snip]

With electricity you can also use a "thermoelectric" cooling (and heating...) system. Not as efficien as a compressor based unit, but quieter and more resistant to the bumps and knocks found in cars, trucks, and campers.

just as some examples:

[Commander Kinsey]

Yes I have one in my car, EXTREMELY inefficient.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Not really. We are importing from one country and exporting to France. Probably because Macron has told EDF to keep the price down, so they are sending cheap nuclear to France

We are of course losing the battle with energy, and the war to stop citizens being switched off.

[Commander Kinsey]

I have only observed power coming FROM France. France has loads of power, lots of nuclear power stations.

[Commander Kinsey]

I tell a lie, we're currently exporting to France, after importing from Belgium. If my geography is correct, wouldn't it be better not to go via the UK?

[hubops]

Sure - back-pack a fridge through the bush. :-) .. then portage the propane tanks ! John T.