We are on the move. We have a very keen buyer who is looking for an
exchange early August and we have had an offer accepted on a house in
Norfolk. Once we are in I'm sure there will be a new crop of DIY jobs
many of which will lead to questions.
The only obvious problems are the old fuse wire type fuses which could
lead to a full re-wire. Plus the facias need replacing, what is
recommended these days I've heard mention of some wood look alike
fibreglass material that might be better than UPVC.
I'm not sure the workshop at the new place will be big enough. Its only
21ft x 65ft :-)
PCV was also used before 1966, but did not usually have an earth for the
It is surprising how many houses built in the late 60s and early 70 take
a fuse box to RCD CU swap with very little problem.
There is often the main bonding to install or upgrade, a borrowed
neutral for the landing light is also very common along with a pesky
trapped neutral with a socket screw.
The biggest problem is usually the lack of sockets. eg my parents 1969
build only had two 1g sockets in every room apart from the kitchen. It
is often as easy to rewire the sockets than add loads of extra ones to
an existing circuit.
By 1953, my parents 3 bed new build had IIRC six. My father extended
them in ways that make me shudder still.
We had one point in the kitchen which we didnt use until we bought a
washing machine thing, but my dad spurred an electric clock into it.
We had to unplug the valve radio in the living room to use a vaccuum
Ther was nothing in the dining room.
Each bedroom had a single socket we used for electric fires when the
room went below zero. Ther was no central heating.
But they were new fangled 13A sockets!!!
The wiring was intact when the house was sold 50 years later, although
more had been added by then
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
Think it might depend on where you bought the cable. Some wholesalers
seemed only to stock TW&E, even where the earth wasn't required for
lighting circuits. Lost count of how many times I've come across it
present, but snipped off.
*You're never too old to learn something stupid.
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
We often said we would like to move to Norfolk (we spent many family
holidays there, typically on the broads somewhere) and I'd have a
large Wickes like building for me and my projects and a bungalow that
she can keep me (and my stuff) out of. ;-)
I could get an old static caravan and maybe even have it in the 'barn'
as a workshop / man-cave.
This would mean I could:
1) Be able to do most things no matter the weather outside.
2) Have several projects on the go side-by-side (more efficient).
3) Have room to have 'stock' and machine tools without them getting in
the way of what I'm working on.
4) Not have to try to do woodworking in an engineering machine shop /
visa - versa.
5) Not having to have to rent storage elsewhere.
6) Not having to do any of it indoors. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
Well it's nice, but no where near the size I was talking about.
That's the point, with what I have in mind there wouldn't be much in
the way of electrics ... or real need to keep the weather out
particularly, more general covered space to be able to have *a few*
boats, cars, trailers motorbikes and other kit / plant and space to
move / work wound them.
My existing 20' x 10' workshop is pretty easy to heat, is fully wired
and has most the kit / tools I need to everyday stuff, not the general
room to spread out.
If I was to be jealous of anyone here (so far) for their space and
sheds it would be that nice Mr Lamb. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
Compared with my pipedream, what you have is just a big double garage
(nice though it is etc).
You would have to see Mr Lambs plant shed to get the idea.
The sort of place you could park 10 tractors in and it would still
look empty. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
There is a place like that down the road from here, it was full of
manufacturing plant but they moved (or maybe shut down) a few months ago.
Would make a nice shed but I wouldn't like the heating bills.
The warley model railway club is a few miles away and they have taken
over a warehouse and filled it.
I don't think you would try would you?
I think this would be the role of portable IR heaters on you near
where you were working, or setup a marquee type thing if you needed to
warm what you were working on as well.
As mentioned, I'd have maybe a couple of old stripped out mobile homes
/ static caravans inside the 'warehouse' for my lathe and or smaller
woodworking / electronic jobs / man cave.
That sounds like quite a layout!
BIL recently moved to Norfolk and has nearly finished setting up the
back half of his double garage for his model railway layout.
Apparently it's going to be over two levels with a 'lift up hatch'
across the doorway.
I believe he's going to lay the track as I suggested with an
(electrically) isolated section that we hope to automate with an
Arduino and some other stuff that he can run manually.
Cheers, T i m
There are quite a few in there, the last time I was there the biggest
was about 50ft by 20ft in HO.
It the same group that take over some of halls at the NEC for the warley
model rail show.
The club I go to only has a 22ft layout as its the biggest that will fit
in the room.
Its N scale though so its the equivalent of the 50ft one warley have.
I'm using an arduino for my DCC controller.
I will probably use JMRI too.
I need DCC to run my N scale Pendolino model.
But I am using the I/O pins to control the points and stuff, not DCC.
I have had to use some nanos to generate pulses as I am using kato
points and they burnout if you leave them powered. I could use more pins
on the Arduino mega but there are only about 40 useable ones.
You can use H bridge motor controllers on DC models quite well.
They let you control the speed and the direction without resorting to
Hmm.. The current woodwork shed is shared with bits of agricultural
tackle. Prolly about 25% of an 80' x 33' ex grain store.
The lathe, folder, guillotine and welding tackle have gone back the 18'
x 36' barn they started from, 10 years back.
All this in 4 weeks as the nicely insulated workshop and the main grain
barn have been sold for development.
Anyone feeling envious can consider the impossibility of
insulating/heating such huge spaces.
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