OT: How the electric car revolution could backfire

[Bill Wright]

I just can't find rust attractive. They'll pull it down before too long I reckon.

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Yes that's correct.

Yes that's right. I'm a genuine socialist, unlike the normal variety.

No no no. We saunter along at 45mph no matter what the road or area.

Bill

[The Natural Philosopher]

Iron ladies.

[The Natural Philosopher]

In the same way that e.g. Table Mountain is?

[charles]

It's a perfect example of the law of unforseen circumstances.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Unforeseen consequences.

And the exact reason why socialism is 100% wrong.

Governements should not lead change or legislate or subsidise innovation. Let the best man win, and then come along and regulate any excesses.

[tony sayer]

In article , Richard scribeth thus

Well its the Latitude where all the Solar Green wannabee's go when they want to prove that Solar is the big answer;!

What we really need is the sealed for life micro nuke reactor that gen's leccy directly that would be the dream component in the new transport.

And best of all no need for Muddle east Oil:)

[dennis]

What's unforseen about it?

[tim...]

I don't think it's "compared to the Tesla"

it is real world driving as opposed to the mileage calculated under test condition

It is Renault being honest

Tesla, probably not

tim

[tim...]

air con probably "costs" more than heating

so it really ought to

tim

[tim...]

but if you don't, you still have to consider its sunk costs as the costs of fuel.

No-one is going to buy that second hand battery off you for anything close to the price paid

tim

[tim...]

that grew there on its own

no human put it there

tim

[The Natural Philosopher]

You didn't say that.

So lets try again: A pile of rubbish in a estate tip is art, because its not functional or advertising and someone put it there?

Tracy Emin's bed starts to make sense...

[damduck-egg]

Does that mean their debts will be accumulated.

G.Harman

[T i m]

Because we can't keep taking and not pay the price at some point?

It generally is, depending on your POV. Like, if you are a pedestrian or cyclist you might call it progress if there are fewer IC cars on the road? If that means that people driving EV's have to modify their behaviour then so be it (until technology catches up etc).

And there is still plenty of it going on across the world every day. Are you saying you don't have to compromise on *anything*?

'We'? I'm pretty sure that there are many people who would be very happy to have what they want (especially for the greater good) even if it compromises you personally.

Of course you do, no matter how many people die in the process.

Again, of course you do, yet many people round the world freeze to death because they can't even keep one room warm.

Me neither ... but are you happy to have a coal fired power station in your back garden?

Irrespective of global warming, many big cities around the world are still / now seeing very high levels of pollution (that are known to kill thousands of people every year) and are (and have been) limiting how vehicles move within them (like allowing certain vehicles access ever other day or congestion charging / limiting zones) and I'm guessing you feel such shouldn't apply to you either? So, I wonder how many people (happily?) accept that they have to 'make do' for the common good.

They were talking of banning motorbikes in one city (can't remember which but I think in the Far East somewhere) because unlike cars where if a cat is fitted as std I understand it must be left in place by law(?), bikes can remove them to fit a noisy, aftermarket and often under performing exhaust, creating more pollution because that's what they (the selfish people) 'want to do'.

Of course it would be nice for everyone to be able to do exactly what they want but that's only fine if there isn't a cost that has to be borne by others (who aren't getting any benefit from it).

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

I know, hence the smiley. ;-)

Understood.

More 'offering a 13A socket ... (or 16A in the case of most campsite sockets).

However, Mum and Dad had a static caravan and had specifically low wattage devices so they didn't trip the supply. There is nothing stopping anyone having a limited draw charger (given the bulk charge phase of most batteries is constant current) and leaving your EV hooked up while you go walking etc?

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Plowman (News)]

You seem not to have noticed, but it is this current Tory government who have said that petrol and diesel cars will go by 2040.

Not the BBC or the greens.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

That you blame the BBC for something in so many of your posts can be misunderstood?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

How much current does the mains electric heating in your caravan take, Bill?

And which camp site uses 13 amp outlets?

[tim...]

yes I did

Just done it

it is up there ^

It is my first and only contribution to the discussion on this subject

tim