Gas shortage UK

[Commander Kinsey]

Obama or Pence?

[Commander Kinsey]

They offer more sense than the left wing thieves.

[Commander Kinsey]

And if it hadn't been retrofitted?

[Scott Lurndal]

Methane (CH4) has always been bad, no matter what state you live in.

Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in small lawn equipment, very polluting.

Using the same methods as electricity, except the heat comes from the propane and has no moving parts.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Oil is finite. What is your plan? When should it kick in?

[danny burstein]

[snip]

Mismatching of natural gas and air ratio, leading to ugly consequences such as soot, carbon monoxide, and other nasties.

(Ditto of using an oven/stove/heater designed for propane on natural gas and vice versa. On most of these it's a simple replacement of the gas orifice. I've worked in areas where there was natural gas in the town, propane tanks outside.

All the licensed, experienced, insured plumbers knew the deal, as did their qualified assistants. But all too often someone would pick up a furnace, etc., that was set for the other fuel and not adjust is...)

[Commander Kinsey]

Handy for camping I presume.

[Commander Kinsey]

And f****ng noisy. Just get an electric mower and get into the current century.

With electricity a pump is used, not a heater.

[Commander Kinsey]

When it's running out the cost will sort things.

[Commander Kinsey]

The only gas appliance I had put the exhaust outdoors. I don't care if there's carbon monoxide out there. Something with the exhaust inside is going to give you a lack of oxygen and a lot of CO2, not good for breathing.

[danny burstein]

In [e-mail] "Commander Kinsey" [e-mail] writes: [snip]

With electricity you can also use a "thermoelectric" cooling (and heating...) system. Not as efficien as a compressor based unit, but quieter and more resistant to the bumps and knocks found in cars, trucks, and campers.

just as some examples:

[Commander Kinsey]

Yes I have one in my car, EXTREMELY inefficient.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Not really. We are importing from one country and exporting to France. Probably because Macron has told EDF to keep the price down, so they are sending cheap nuclear to France

We are of course losing the battle with energy, and the war to stop citizens being switched off.

[Commander Kinsey]

I have only observed power coming FROM France. France has loads of power, lots of nuclear power stations.

[Commander Kinsey]

I tell a lie, we're currently exporting to France, after importing from Belgium. If my geography is correct, wouldn't it be better not to go via the UK?

[hubops]

Sure - back-pack a fridge through the bush. :-) .. then portage the propane tanks ! John T.

[corvid]

Obama! Look past his plan, which you don't have to like, and give him some credit for having the mettle to say what he said, when he said it.

[The Natural Philosopher]

The only way to tell is to look at the spot prices. European<->uk flows tend to be from Europe when its cheap and to Europe when its expensive.

Because we have capacity, but its expensive gas capacity compared with French nuclear, German and polish coal or scandinavian hydro.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Well I worked out how to do it by pumping out loch Ness and letting the sea refill it via some turbines. I reckon you could store almost a weeks worth .

Utterly destroy the ecosystem of course, and cost more than totally equipping the UK with nukes instead, but hey, its all green energy innit?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Nothing sucks like Electrolux...