Gas shortage UK

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:23:38 -0800) it happened John Larkin [e-mail] wrote in [e-mail]:

Well, the Dutch and English once ruled the world like the US now think it does. History has the habit of repeating itself. There is a lesson to learn from that.

From a Darwinian POV I see it as one ant heap against the other, may the best one win.

The next species ? What will it look like? Flies and mosquitos seem to be doing quite well here too.

One could predict that by the time US lands people on mars they will have to pay landing rights to China and eat in nice Chinese restaurants. Used to live next to one, we went to eat there many many times.' Not sure they will except dollars on mars.

[Commander Kinsey]

Not here they don't. They still fall for UV light and 2000 volts.

And rodents fall for peanut butter and 8000 volts.

Remove the word in *s and see how it reads.

You ate there and actually chose to go back?

[The Natural Philosopher]

LNG is not LPG.

LPG is derived from the lighter fractions of crude oil - methane, butane, pentane etc.

LNG is derived from unrefined natural gas. Overwhelmingly methane IIRC

The fact that you think they are the same is merely a testament to ignorance.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I generally drive at leats 1000 miles to avoid a ski weekend. Fortunately, they happen in other countries *shudder*

[Max Demian]

"Side walk" "Horse back riding" (Usually just "riding" if you at all horsey.)

[Max Demian]

Coal gas is a mixture of methane, water gas (CO and H2) and air gas (CO and N2). Or methane and producer gas (CO, H2 and N2).

If you are "of a certain age" you learn that in school chemistry.

[Scott Lurndal]

And I've covered pretty much every corner of the state, there is so much to see and experience. Well, I haven't yet been east of of the Imperial valley - gotta save something for retirement.

What gave you the impression that I live in the UK? The point of my post is that one cannot 'compare' petrol/gasoline cost in the US vs. the UK without factoring in all relevent data.

For those in the UK, they take high-speed rail through the Chunnel to the Alps. Easy as pie.

[farter]

There is no high speed rail thru the chunnel, and most fly to the alps.

[John Larkin]

I've done it by accident.

[Commander Kinsey]

Give him a break, he's an American.

[Commander Kinsey]

Why would you avoid athletic activity?

[Frank]

US vehicles on average are bigger and SUV's predominate and there may even be more pickup trucks than sedans.

I also noted that price differential between diesel and gasoline is less in UK and since diesels cost more they do not predominate in US as in UK.

[Commander Kinsey]

I meant for the same horsepower, you have larger engines over there.

I assume you mean in the US diesel is more expensive? I assume this is a tax thing. In the UK our government taxes diesel slightly more, but not by much. I'm guessing the real cost of the two is pretty much the same.

A diesel engine might cost more, but it lasts twice as long.

[Commander Kinsey]

Why have you deleted your own reasoning?

[Commander Kinsey]

I'm of an age where O/A level was just changing into standard/higher grade. I have some of each.

[Commander Kinsey]

Can you take skis on a train?

[Commander Kinsey]

That'll never stand up in court.

[rbowman]

Part of it is ULSD (ultra low sulfur diesel) that was mandated in 2006. Not only is it more expensive to produce but it has lower energy density.

The Federal excise tax is 24.3 cents / gallon for diesel, 18.3 for gasoline. Each state adds their own taxes.

Retooling refineries to produce ULSD is expensive so it is more profitable to export dirty diesel so the rest of the world can go on enriching the atmosphere with sulfur compounds.

And finally, a 100 year old law to protect the non-existent US maritime industry makes bulk shipping between US ports costly. That's also why US LNG producers love shipping LNG to anyplace but the US.

Supposedly the higher diesel tax is to offset the road damage caused by heavy trucks. Judging from the state of the roads the money evaporates before it hits the pavement.

I have some friends who are contractors and elected to replace their work trucks with diesels just before the prices inverted. They weren't very pleased.

Long story short -- diesel costs more in the US because the US government by the people is for f****ng the people.

[Max Demian]

Why would you not? It's "school work". (When I was in primary school they never had any equipment like swings &c. Just bare asphalt.)

[Frank]

Your taxes are much higher and tend to level cost.

Last time passing gas station, gasoline was $3.81/gal. and diesel was about $5.50/gal.