Start with how bad I am for simply asking a question by implying that I am defining terms to fit my argument and the you make a strange definition to support your own argument.
There are major differences between virgin forests and tree farms. Not even all virgin forests are the same.
There is lots of good science on the subject, far more than will fit into net news sound bites.
Very true. Here's one of many maps showing the general plight of old growth:
R. Lander
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner wrote on Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:01:41 GMT in misc.survivalism :
Larry Bond has an interesting novel "Enemy Within". All about how an increase in "domestic" terrorism turns out to be part of the cover for an Iranian invasion of Saudi Arabia. The other part was the Iranian military taking out "all" of the of the terrorists bases in Iran. As Judy Tend would say "It could happen."
tschus pyotr
-- pyotr filipivich Typos, Grammos and da kind are the result of ragin hormones Fortesque Consulting: Teaching Pigs to Sing since 1968.
I have to smile when I see somebody, not necessarily "Private" above, spouting off about being self sufficient while living on land as has happened with this thread.
Really want to see if you can be self sufficient?
Become a cruising sailor, actually a single handed cruising sailor.
Get a decent sail boat, say about a 30 ft sloop, depart from somewhere here along the left coast and set sail for say, someplace like Fiji or even Australia.
You'll be by yourself, out of sight of land, for 30+ days, if you are lucky.
If not lucky, add another 10-20 days sailing time.
No 911, no cell phone, no hardware stores, no towing service.
There are no gas stations at sea.
Good thing, you won't need one anyway.
There will probably be some rather nasty weather along the way.
Weather forecasts beyond 48 hours start to get iffy.
15 minute cat naps are the best you will get while underway.If you are not careful, you can hallucinate.
It is what that is between your ears that will bring you safely to the next port.
Lew
You know and I know that pots can't talk.
Indeed. Pots and kettles talking to each other...
So cutting trees is bad, and cutting trees expressly grown to be cut is bad, too.
It's always that way with the libs. I saw a lib movie where they sat around a stump and wailed and cried...
I think a lot of people today have too much money at their disposal. Before you jump on that statement, remember necessity is the mother of invention. If the pipes leaked and you couldn't afford a plumber,you would probably find a way to repair the leak. However some fools would rather drown.....
Gary
BTDT, used the T-shirt to stuff the holes shut. Have been blessed to not have had to do that for a while. When people to reach the point you describe, the most resourceful figure out how to adapt and fix things.
... and then have their survivors wail about how the government was so uncaring to let them drown.
[Just a little gasoline for the fire ;-) ]
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
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A friend of mine had a drippy bathroom sink. It had been driving her nuts for months. I suggested that she put a washrag under the drip; then you won't hear the drip anymore. It worked and she was happy. I replaced the washer for her a few days later. You'd think she would have tried the washrag under the drip trick already. Women. Beautiful, sexy creatures, but most are clueless when it comes to things mechanical. I personally know 4 or 5 women who've burned up engines by not changing the oil, adding the oil, or even checking their oil. As long as the car starts, they're happy and drive it until it stops starting. Of course, some men are like this too, and they're even more pathetic! My brother's former brother-in- law (late 20's) burned up the engine in a 1 year old Honda Civic by not caring about the oil. His father, even more stupid than he was, went out and bought the dude a brand new Acura Integra! More money thna brains.
I never said anything like that at all. I am pointing out that when comparing things it is important to define the terms and understand the time frame of the comparison.
There is such a thing as sustainable forestry and logging but in the USA today it is really only being done by owners of small woodlots.
The reason clear cutting is popular is that it is cheap and can be done with much less skilled labor. Selectively harvesting only the mature trees and removing them with minimal damage to the rest of the forest requires more labor and people with more education and experience. Yes, that also would mean that I would pay more for my lumber but I already pay top dollar for quality lumber so it really wouldn't change things for me so much.
Similarly, a large part of pilot training is communicating the concept of PIC (pilot in command) which basically means that the pilot is responsible for everything and no matter what goes wrong: A - the pilot gets blamed. B - the pilot dies.
Similar attitude and resourcefulness is required in most mountaineering and wilderness activity.
IMHO self sufficiency does not require the exclusion of external resources but rather is a mastery of the technology that we choose to utilize and a desire to 'do for ourselves' when possible and practical. The practical part is a judgment call we must each make for ourselves. Many do not understand the urge of some to steer their own boat when it is so much easier (and usually cheaper) to just buy a ticket on a ship. Some of us feel that the journey is at least as important as the destination.
I suspect that Lew and I share much agreement.
Results of f(*&king with mother nature's survival of the fittest ... the stupid beget stupid and pretty soon that's all you got. Just look around you on the freeway.
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner wrote on Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:44:20 GMT in misc.survivalism :
That collapse occurred later, when the Brits successively leveled great parts of Urban Britain. At least the luftwaffe had just demolished the buildings, not replaced them with ugly edifices as monuments to the bottom line.
tschus pyotr
-- pyotr filipivich Typos, Grammos and da kind are the result of ragin hormones Fortesque Consulting: Teaching Pigs to Sing since 1968.
Then it's a good that we're talking this through. You sure left me with that impression.
And we will find that most things aren't comparable.
Hmmmm? Mead/Westvaco and Weyerhauser would wince at your suggestion.
It is popular because the large timber companies wish to replant a single desireable species that can be harvested again in a shorter period of time.
"The rest of the forest" may not contain desireable trees.
You are only considering ONE aspect of the situation and then put a negative spin on it, such as the timber work force being comprised of stupid people.
Don't be so sure.
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