OT - Basic Skills in Today's World

No, you charge a fair bit to do the butchering operation, and hire a "grunt" to do the hard parts (i.e. you supervise). The hog owner get's his hog butchered correctly, your assistant gets food (a piece of the action), and you get a big hunk of hog.

And everyone is happy and well fed... :)

Retief

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Retief
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I have a fraternity brother who built a rather successful consulting engineering business.

We were having lunch one day when he told me he was going to fold up the business.

I asked him "Why".

His answer, "I'm getting tired of having to take everybody to the bathroom and hold their swantz while they do their business."

I understood.

Basic reason I run a one man band.

Lew

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Lew Hodgett

It came evident when the basic mom wanted a rocket scientist or Doctor / Lawyer as a son/daughter. The schools were being and are still being hammered on numbers - those that go to college are value, those that get trade jobs are nothing - just like dropouts. So money and care to trade classes went to lit and social classes - every one needed to read.... Power base shift from life to socialism. As some of these children moved into higher education and into jobs - they found being able to think, sit, walk, work, learn-on-the-fly and under pressure - was getting harder - it was done for themselves.

Those with skills continued to thrive as they fed both business and now a larger base of need.

My wife has a tool box. I keep it stocked the tools and such that we need for the house - and bought her a nice Dewalt screwdriver - that she drills and screws into the house at will. I introduced the 60 and 100# wallboard hanger - so now she is doing her thing and using me as needed. Now I have a willing and trained - yes I helped her do it at first - when I need help.

My object in this was simple. A friend of mine lost his dad. The mother didn't know how to pay bills, ........fix anything... and lost most of here money in a money shuffle stock manager...

I decided to get my wife geared in such a way she could run the house and her life as needed. I was flying all over the world and working 10 miles from a 'firing range' or cease fire line as it is really called. Flying into 5 countries in two days and driving in foreign countries trying to save some company or someones job. I almost didn't come back on one trip and another it was an emergency recall from France to Switzerland to L.A. (non-stop) to San Jose - with 2 hours between planes in Switzerland. Swiss Air did a wonderful thing by routing me on a special plane they had going.

Mart> I think you have a good point Robert.

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Martin H. Eastburn

And home owner associations that forbid you from even leaving your garage door open for more than 30 minutes.

A house in most new developments is no longer a home..but a place to sleep, and park your fat ass in front of the TV

Gunner

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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner

My daily driver...94 Mazda B3000/Ford Ranger has 421,000 MILES on it.

I just hauled home a 800lb air compressor and next weekend..a 2000 lb milling machine

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner

Im a CNC machine tool repair guy. I front for a couple manufactures, do repair of their machines, do infrastructure repair (air/electical etc etc) and there are two types of "machinist".

  1. Actually involved in setting up and performing operations, able to do design and determine if the machine is optimal etc etc
  2. Button pushers. Somone who loads parts, pushes a button, takes measurements, maybe changes offsets, but basically a human parts loader.

#1 is very very hard to find #2 is very very easy to find, and in Southern California..is nearly 50% female, with many learning to be rated in Catagory #1

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner

caused some of those skills are rarely needed, I rarely get any flats anymore, haven't had one in ten years, I used to get them at least once a year 25 years ago.

TV's can't be repaired

now it's cheaper to buy a new lawnmower then to fix one (due to China the price of a new one is less now then 25 years ago, and our income has gone way up, the cost of parts, however, has stayed the same)

car's rarely break now, and they need very little mainteance (tune ups), yes you still can and need to change your brakes, alternators, starters but it simply doesn't justify the cost of a well appointed home mechanics workshop, like it did before when the typical repair list was twice as long and 5 times more frequent

there are basic skills that one needs to deal with

but think back to when you were a teenager, I can think of a large percentage that lack basic skills back then, I don't think it's any worse now

No, its just the workshop has changed, it can live in a computer, for instance, workshops are alive and well, they are just different, today's workshop can involved hooking up a wireless router to a wired LAN that supports Appletalk, before your time it was thatching a roof

yes, they will learn what is necessary

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steve

Anyone that likes to live in a controlled enviorment gets what they deserve.

You have to get approval to do just about anything around your house. You even need a fart licence or they lock you up.

John

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John

I'm not sure about the lack of interest. I work part time in a Woodcra= ft store and our classes are usually filled way before the class takes pla= ce.=20 We give at least one class a week. The only class I can remember not b= eing full was one called "Wiring your workshop" and I got the feeling most p= eople would rather hire a professional to do that than take a chance on burni= ng the place down :-).

We sell one heck of a lot of books as well.

IMNSHO there seems to be no lack of interest in learning in our area.

--=20 It's turtles, all the way down

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Larry Blanchard

When I hear or read comments like these, a little shiver hits me. My dad tells the story of how Dad's grandfather (an increasingly successful farmer in Eastern Colorado) once told Dad's grandmother that she didn't need to patch overalls anymore, it was cheaper and more efficient to buy new ones. That was in the late 1920's; we all know what happened in the 1930's -- especially in the dustbowl areas.

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Mark & Juanita

I'd sure like to have a 1 but if yoiu can find a couple of 2's that want to move north (Seattle area), send them my way. We have manual machines too. People qualified to do anything with them is becoming near non existent. I've been told I'm old school. Guess I am but, to me, 2 is not a machinist. They're a machine operator. A machinist, the way it used to be, is a machine maker. The tools he uses (mills, lathes, grinders, ect) are incidental to the job, they aren't THE job.

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CW

understand both worlds and they'll come out alright. For sure my eldest (7yo) is learning to pound nails, piano keys, and keyboards. This is why we recently moved out of town onto a small farm -- the shift is doing him good. We replaced the exhaust manifold on the little Allis Chalmers we use for mowing and he learned a fair bit about internal combustion engines. If dawned on him the other day that checking the oil in the car would be a good idea -- though the "Dad, where's the carbeurator?" question took a while to answer and I don't think he really got it.

hex

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hex

How do you incorrectly butcher a hog?

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George E. Cawthon

And if the electricity goes out for six months or even six weeks?

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Lobby Dosser

Swelter in the apartment without air conditioning. Start suffering from dehydration because the water pumps to the roof water towers have shut off, suffer a heart attack going down 17 flights of stars because the elevators aren't working, break a leg in the taxi cab after the accident because all the stop lights are out, die in the hospital parking lot from a stroke because the emergency is packed and the intern working on you in the taxicab back seat can't properly work a manual blood pressure gauge.

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Upscale

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Oh my God! Does this mean all my woodshop classes for next year (2006-07) at the high school where I teach have been dropped? Does this mean I am now out of work? Are my fellow IA teachers who teach masonry, auto shop and computer repair also out of work? Do we now hold our department meetings at the unemployment office?

The scenario you present might be true in some places, but not in all. I have been asked (along with a few of my cohorts)to work on a funding grant to expand our vocational offerings in our school, and maybe the district as a whole.

Glen

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Glen

The message from Robert Sturgeon contains these words:

I could and have done many times in the past. Whats more I can even do them anyway you want, In continental Europe, they skin pork and are butchered along individual muscles. In Britain we like the skin still on, and basically cut along the 4 quarters. The pigs I kept for myself were slaughtered about 12 months old and weighed in at about 250lb each. Those I used to butcher as beef and bone them out as if not you'd end up with pork chops nearly 2" thick and weighing about 40oz each!!

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Mark Trudgill

You mean like it did here after the last hurricane? No problem; my generator worked fine.

Jeff

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Jeff McCann

And he can sell it cheaper...The market is driven by the buyer.If more people are willing to pay for a shop more builders will build houses with a shop.If most people do not want to pay extra for a shop they are not built.Builders try to build what sells.

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digitalmaster

Im a CNC machine tool repair guy. I front for a couple manufactures, do repair of their machines, do infrastructure repair (air/electical etc etc) and there are two types of "machinist".

  1. Actually involved in setting up and performing operations, able to do design and determine if the machine is optimal etc etc
  2. Button pushers. Somone who loads parts, pushes a button, takes measurements, maybe changes offsets, but basically a human parts loader.

#1 is very very hard to find #2 is very very easy to find, and in Southern California..is nearly 50% female, with many learning to be rated in Catagory #1

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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R. Zimmerman

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