Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What
is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell
for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the
soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water
over the plants several times during the season isn't practical.
They sell horticultural grade molassas and that is what I use for
iron. Since my pH is high I also use magnesium along with it in order
to provide more availablity in the soil. You can broadcast magnesium
in the form of epsom salt and if you dilute it enough, you can use
molassas in a hose end sprayer.
Ironite contains levels of arsenic I am not willing to use. It will
help kill soil organisms along with larger fauna in the gardens. I
avoid it. There are plenty of websites you can read with pro and con
on the subject of ironite.
You spray sticky diluted molasses on the plants in summer? How can you know
how much iron the plants are getting and how often do you do it? Also, how
to you keep from drawing insects with something like molasses? Here we'd
have problems with things like raccoons and possums.
OK. I will Google them but just want you to know I've used it here for at
least 15 years and have seen no problems. The gardens are still full of
toads and box turtles. Moles are still a serious pest at times. Earthworms
and grubs thrive.....
Mine don't have problems either, I have a problem with them.... they eat my
veggies! = O How often are you spraying your garden with the Molasses?
They don't sell liquid seaweed where I live. I don't care to start ordering
things online because the shipping is often as much as the items to be
I asked what the issues were, the problems with Ironite since I haven't had
any problems using it.
Lowe's and Home Depot both sell liquid seaweed. Gardens alive sells
it on their website. Horticultural molasses is not as heavy as baking
molasses and is still black strap with the iron still in it. I spray
about every ten days.
I don't have a problem with animals eating things in the garden. I'm
not implying you don't have a problem with it, just that I don't. I
am honored they feel safe enough to be here. Maybe that's why they
don't eat everything? I don't know. My dog when alive ate far more
of my tomatoes than any coon or opossum.
Oh, I use the Ironite once a year. It's turned over with the fertilizer and
organic matter. I'll see what Seaweed costs. I may not be able to afford to
spray a 900 to 100 sq. ft of garden every 10 days with it. To spray the
plants lightly takes 3 to 4 gallons of water. More organic fertilizers are
now being priced outside our budget. I can no longer afford bone and blood
meal. Organic gardening is becoming something for those of higher incomes,
not for the retired.
I' d be more honored if they ate their natural diet and not my veggies.
Wild turkeys were out under the pear tree today munching on the fallen
pears. Actually we don't suffer too much damage from animals.
Maybe that's why they
Being financially constrained as you are, don't you look out there and see
turkey dinner? Hell, if I were in your shoes, it wouldn't be long before I
smelled it cooking, right along side the sweet tators and dressing ;)))
"Steve Young" <bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet> wrote in message
We haven't got the heart to shoot them. It's also illegal..... but we've
been tempted. The plump sleek deer we sometimes see walking an old deerpath
about 25 feet into the woods behind our house also look tasty. ;-)
The plants are not a good rich green color once planted out in the gardens.
The get paler as summer passes. The soil is alkaline from natural limestone
locking up any iron in the soil. By late summer they're almost chlorotic.
That doesn't happen with Ironite. Also, our Hollies and Azaleas would die
from chlorosis before we started using sulfur and Ironite. I did buy some
stuff for Hollies and Azaleas this year. I didn't use the Ironite on them.
But who knows what poisons are in any of these products? There's no way to
know. How can I even know what's in the 10-10-10 I buy?
That depends on which scavenger you're talking about. Even humans can fit
into that category. Insects and bugs are the worst garden pests here, not
Sure you can try to over ride this limitation but it requires energy aka
money. AND the odds are not in your favor.
What state do you reside in?
I have to deal with Acid here in NJ.
I'm on limestone rock in TN. As the Azaleas died I haven't replaced them.
The Hollies are doing great in their mix of compost, sand, clay soil and
Ironite. Now that we have the Internet I look up plants before I buy them.
They shouldn't be selling plants here that need acid soil.
Oh, this explains it. You are trying to grow plants which absoltely
detest those conditions. If you use 1/4 cup of black strap molassas
with 1/2 cup of epsom salts to a gallon of water you will be providing
the iron you need. The magnesium helps unlock to soils iron. There
is plenty there. Ironite, if used, should only be used once every
three to five years or you risk overdoing it. Ironite kills soil
biota which is far more important than using Ironite to green things
up. If you use a quality fertilizer like Medina you will be in a much
better position. However, you've come up with many excuses or reasons
to continue using Ironite so maybe this discussion should end. It's a
waste of time.
Humans are not scavengers. Scavengers eat anything, including carion.
Humans are omnivores and we're on the top of the food chain.
Magnesium (Epsom Salts) is added at planting time for the veggies and
flowers. No more shrubs will be planted as they need too much water in this
Ironite, if used, should only be used once every
I found no sites showing Ironite kills soil biota, frogs, turtles, birds,
earthworms, grubs or anything else that may wander into a garden.
If you use a quality fertilizer like Medina you will be in a much
Unless you can prove that to me, and then loan me several hundred dollars to
buy it - why push it on me? So far I've tried several organic things that
someone on these groups and forums told me worked and it was bullcrap. Then
when these expensive useless products don't work, you pro-organic fanatics
get pissed off and insist they worked for their mother's neighbor's son's
Why didn't you just answer the questions I asked in stead of trying to push
your favorite soil amendments off on me? I already have several loads of
free organic matter to go into the garden this fall. How many people have
been sickened or killed by Ironite? Where are the statistics children are
somehow ingesting lead from Ironite treated soil? Where are the studies?
Very little Ironite is needed. You seem to think 50lb sacks are dumped in
the gardens. One coffee can full does one whole garden for the season.
OK, we don't have wolves here but do have Buzzards. The buzzies don't bother
gardens. Humans in their natural state will eat almost anything other than
And this has WHAT to do with the issues concerning the use of Ironite?
If you're nice, I'll show you my pesticide collection. :-) Chlordane,
dursban, diazinon, nicotine sulfate, Cygon, lindane, all kinds of stuff
you can't buy anymore. Pretty brown bottles. The thing is though, I
try to see just how *little* I can get by with. (the chlordane and
dursban are being saved in case i ever have to deal with subterranean
termites; that's the only thing I'll use them for.)
I haven't used any pesticides this year except on my apple tree (and
that didn't work very well, next year I'm gonna try sticky traps)
As to the Ironite, it contains arsenic and other heavy metals that
accumulate in the soil. Use it once is probably OK. Keep using it, and
the soil arsenic levels just get higher and higher. Do you know what
Ironite is? Mine tailings from a toxic waste dump in Arizona (or maybe
it's New Mexico.) Instead of cleaning it up, they put it in 5# bags and
sell it to unsuspecting gardeners.
Oh! Oh! Get an infestation of Argentine Ants, and you won't have
to worry about termites *or* fire ants!
Except for, you know, an Argentine Ant infestation.
(They *are* easier to live with than fire ants, but damn, if they
aren't the best little aphid farmers I've ever seen.)
You have proven yourself to be the most malicious,
classless person that I've encountered in years.
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