The night the OBNOXIOUS children ruined our dinner, I asked the manager,
"What would happen if I was unruly and ran around screaming?"
She said, "I would call the police."
What is the difference?
Not in a restraunt or a place that they are disruptive. Yelling and
screaming out side with other kids is normal. Yelling and screaming in a
restaurant is a sign of wimp parents with no regard for others.
Both. The parents for allowing it, and the restaurant for allowing it.
I like California for the following reason, although it is the only one that
comes to mind:
In restaurants the signs read something like this:
If your children are unruly, we will ask you to leave. We value the
patronage of the highest numbers of customers.
I saw that BTW, in a restaurant on I10 in Victorville.
He never said he didn't like kids. I'm sure he loves kids. I'd be mad
too -- trying to eat and having to put up with screaming kids. The
parents should reign in their brats, and the manager should have AT
LEAST asked the parents to settle their kids down for the comfort of
other diners. When I was a kid, I never acted up in public because if I
did I would have my butt whipped. Man, discipline is disappearing.
Isn't it? I attended both Texas and California schools throughout the
1970's/1980's (divorced parents). In Texas, if someone gave the teacher
continual lip/disrespect/talking/disrupting, etc., one of the Vice
Principals would come down and swat their asses out in the hall. Guess
what? It works. I RARELY saw any bad behavior in TX schools. In CA,
where there was no paddling, the bully kids ran the classrooms. I
remember in TX in middle school, a 16 year old bully (he flunked 3
times), was giving the teacher lip. The vice Principal came to fetch
him. The kid, a large fat kid, wouldn't leave, so the Vice
Principal/football coach dragged the kid out by his arms into the
hallway and paddled his ass hard. The kid was crying. He quit acting
up though. paddling equals physical pain and humiliation, something
kids don't want to have done to them twice. Hey, a nice project would
be to make a paddle and engrave "Justice" on it! Of course, drill holes
I attended both Texas and California schools throughout the
I went to Texas schools in the 60's and early 70's. I can attest that the
paddle kept every thing in check. The 3' paddle with holes drilled in it
would literally lift you up of your feet and it contacted your behind side.
My son grafuated from HS here in Houston in 2005 and I can tell you that for
a long time now that the paddle is now a legend.
Let my fingers get away from me on the previous reply.
Constitutes "child abuse" in some jurisdictions. School officials can lose
their jobs over it.
On the other hand, saw a documentary about Jackie Chan, the most famous
actor in Asia (not to mention being a first class producer, director, stunt
man, and fight choreographer), who was paddled regularly (and in Hong Kong
apparently it's a pants down paddling with something that looks like a
cricket bat) and attributes much of his success later in life to those
A problem with contemporary American society is that we confuse "hurt" and
"harm" and "harming" a child is anathema so so is "hurting" one even if
doing so will help avoid him harming himself or others later.
There are those these days with moral conflicts about paddling their
children or letting some one else take charge in the parents absence. As a
result, see see higher crime rates. Some one needs to help teach our
children right from wrong and it is a 24 hour a day job. School officials
can indeed loose their jobs and that too is a damn shame. Discipline with a
witnesses should be allowed.
I would much rather see our children grow up to have a respect for the law
and to be good citizens.
IMHO child abuse is letting a child grow up with no respect for right and
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