I think you are wasting your breath. Steve is a malcontent who suffers
from poor self esteem, and the chip on his shoulder grows every time he
makes a delivery and isn't showered with money for doing his job. Being
the wimp that he is, he tries to intimidate everyone here into thinking
that if you don't tip, your next delivery is going to be destroyed by
the big, bad teamster character who handles your goods.
No, Dave. I'm retired.
If you will read my last post, perhaps it will answer where I was coming
I gave good service to good people. I did lots of things for free,
including many things that were WAAAAY over and above the scope of my job
description. I also had a way of dealing with greedy idiots that were
trying to get a lot more than they paid for.
Maybe I took your previous posts wrong? I thought you were coming from
a "let's show them how well I can screw them over" place because I'm a
rough and tumble Teamster and don't screw with me! If that's not the
case, that's good, and I withdraw my criticisms. :)
For you, and the group, I'm not really even talking about the run of the
mill small business and household delivery world.
I was merely commenting on the worst of the worst in one of the most hectic
locations in the world for freight handling. At MAJOR conventions. The
ones with 300,000 attendees. Companies that showed up with 47 semis of
freight. And some of the small men and minds who try every day to get
around the rules and the small guys to save a buck and get more than they
Although it may seem like a simple question, do I tip a driver or not, it is
not. Attitude, special conditions, extra help, kindness, lots of variables
come into play, and each man picks his own way to handle things.
Yes, a person is entitled to have his stuff delivered. No tip necessary.
When it goes over that line, and they want you to wait, or unload it, or put
it somewhere special that requires all sorts of gyrations, or then come back
and move it over there, or lots of other things that some people expect you
to do for free, that's when it gets interesting.
Sorry I wasn't more specific in my explanation. Having a drill press
delivered to your house is different than an environment that has 2,000
semis full of freight to move in, then move out four or five days later. My
job, position, and responsibilities were light years away from what was
being discussed. And those who have never worked in that environment don't
understand what I was talking about.
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:31:28 -0700, Steve B wrote:
So Steve, did you consider this to be 'doing your job'? The way I see
it, somebody already paid your employer to deliver the freight and your
employer has already agreed to pay you for delivering the freight and then
you stand there and DON'T DELIVER THE FREIGHT.
I presently AM a Teamster and formerly was a UTU guy (Conrail ... when we
lost freight we lost boxcar loads at a time!). It was my job to deliver
the freight -on time and in good condition- ... AND THAT'S WHAT I DID.
For my part, if the driver does much more than simply pull up and
wait while I unload, then he's probably done something extra and should be
slipped a couple extra skins for his effort. But if all he does is sit
while I unload and then retaliates the lack of an (unearned) tip, then
I'll simply specify a different common carrier with my next order. And he
won't get ANY money from my next purchase. Not even his wages.
Times are tough. You want the money? Do the work.
LOL.. I worked at one place, it was huge, it had about 8 different
shipping docks scattered all over the "campus".. My boss was a prick.
He was expecting 6 large packages. Every day, he called up our dock and
gave them hell about "where's my packages?" They fixed him up good.
Over the next 3 months, they slowly started to be "found" at other
docks. Every one of them was damaged.
I didn't help with this, and I don't condone it, but sometimes it's
better not to be a jerk to people that can screw you over.
I understand the difference when delivering to a business. I receive
shipments via semi at work all the time (*BIG* computers) and obviously
don't even consider tipping them. It just seems different when it's a home
delivery since I don't have a loading dock or forklift.
It's not that I felt so grateful that I "wanted" to tip (I already paid $125
for shipping), I just don't want to be seen as a cheapskate and maybe pay
for it later with late/damaged shipments if I do business with the same
Even with out lift gates or fork lifts I too have received stock on a daily
basis at a business. For the most part a loading dock and fork lift at a
delivery location is a luxury mor most delivery drivers.
The driver will pay if you will receive a damaged shipment. I would not
worry about it unless he went out of his way to help you out. Otherwise, he
is just doing his job.
Isn't that rather cynical? I mean really--expecting that the SAME
driver is going to damage upcoming shipments to you purposely and
vindictively, because you didn't pay him "protection"?? Good grief,
man, that's not how it works! If you go to a restaurant and order a
couple of $35+ meals for you and the missus and leave a $5 tip, THAT'S
considered being a cheapskate, as anyone paying for that expensive of a
meal can certainly afford a 50% tip.
Sorry, Dave. That's not how it works. I worked conventions in Las Vegas
for a lot of years. Repeat customers.
You had one yokel this year that stiffed you after going all out for them,
and next year, attitude was different. The companies are limited to a $50
limit on lost/damaged freight. You could run your tines through a box when
no one was looking, the exhibitor could lose many thousands of dollars in
exhibits, and the culprit was never found. Or, you put an "empty" sticker
on a full box, and it goes to the boneyard. Cost of retrieval, about two
We gave good service. We were paid well. But a stiff is a stiff when
someone gets more than they pay for. Or intentionally screws you.
Paybacks are a bitch.
And they're so easy.
Is that an excuse or an explanation? The behaviour of your
purported teamster is criminal, and should be prosecuted.
If you participated in similar activities, you are also a
criminal, and should be prosecuted.
IIRC, the teamsters have historically been run by criminals
anyway, hardly an organization to hold up to your children
as something to aspire to.
The fact that a Union can excuse criminal behaviour is far
from the origins of the union movement which was to protect
the worker from hazardous working and living conditions.
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:32:34 -0700, Steve B wrote:
I can see you've never been the sort of person I would care to associate
My whole plant (until tomorrow ... I'm quitting due to LOUSY union wages)
is Teamster and we bust our buns getting the right product in the right
box and on the right truck (prolly about 20-25 loads a day).
To think that the driver, also a Teamster, would louse that up shows a
remarkable lack of union unity.
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