Petrol or Diesel car?

why? You can use less fuel in lots of other cars.

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clumsy bastard
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the fuel *is* dirty when you fill up, beyond that the drawbacks are pretty much overcome now.

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clumsy bastard

Brush?

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Rod

unless you want low city centre emissions, maybe for the London CC area, otherwise pointless.

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clumsy bastard

The drawback have not been overcome at all. To make diesel perform anywhere near like a petrol car complexity has to be introduced. Dual mass flywheels and turbos. If any of these go then expect a big bill. Modern injection system are more complex than the petrol equivalent. Also when a clutch goes they replace the dual mass flywheel as well, and the cost of clutch replacement can be £800. Then if a turbo goes!!!

Why buy a car that has potential massive bills, that has no advantage over a petrol engine whatsoever. Madness!! And they also emit soot that is cacogenic and blackens buildings.

They are a waste of expensive, soot emitting time.

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Doctor Drivel

You can't. Not a car of that size, performance and refinement you can't. You have been reading the propaganda reports as Toyota stole the lead.

Of course if you do 100mpg for 100 miles it will do around 38-40 mpg, but average driving is what matters and it is unbeatable in mpg, especially in towns and cities. 65mpg around London. And it doesn't kill the planet like the tractor engines do and is whisper quiet.

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Doctor Drivel

Another propaganda reader.

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Doctor Drivel

Stop scraping the barrel. They stink in all aspects. And are expensive to run.

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Doctor Drivel

Not so.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Did the same article say how long it would take to recover the extra cost of a Prius? No? Wonder why...

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Dave Plowman (News)

in other words its "alright" for what its designed for, mostly city centre driving. Driven in a the normal mix of motorway and town you can get almost the same consumption from a Cooper S!

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clumsy bastard

you have possibly made a point about complexity and possible potential repair bills if you buy an older car, the rest is fantasy in my experience.

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clumsy bastard

you dont get something for nothing, if you want two lots of power source there's a price to pay in fuel consumption and complexity, which apparently only applies to diesels.....

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clumsy bastard

The new Prius just announced:

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Doctor Drivel

Read what I wrote!!! Stop telling yourself lies and believing them. I wrote "but average driving is what matters and it is unbeatable in mpg". In pure city driving it is unbeatable. Then to drive it, is the best - seamless ansd swish.

A Cooper is tiny compared to a Prius, which is a sizable car.

The new sportier looking Prius, which in the US urban/highway test does

60.24 (UK). It will do more around cities only probably about 70mpg. About 10 secs 0 to 60mph if that turns you on.
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Doctor Drivel

You must in fantasy land to tell yourself such lies and believe them.

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Doctor Drivel

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""To find out we set a challenge: to drive a Prius to Geneva using motorways and town driving. The direct route is 460 miles but we drove almost 100 miles further to give the Prius the advantage of running in urban conditions where its petrol-electric drivetrain comes into its own".......... As I did so, I noted with slight satisfaction that Jason (Prius) was having difficulty keeping up, so I cut my speed. Had I been really serious about saving fuel I could have also switched off the air-conditioning and the stereo but I was more concerned about making this a real-world test. ................

Model BMW 520d SE Engine 1995cc, four cylinders Power 177bhp @ 4000rpm Torque 258 lb ft @ 1750rpm Transmission Six-speed manual Official fuel/CO2 55.4mpg / 136g/km Performance 0-62mph: 8.3sec Top speed 144mph Road tax band C (£115) Price £27,190 Fuel used on test 10.84 gallons (50.3mpg) Fuel cost £54.19 (diesel)

Model Toyota Prius T Spirit Engine 1497cc, four cylinders Electric motor 50kW/67bhp Power 77bhp @ 5000rpm Torque 295 lb ft (motor) 85 lb ft (engine) Transmission CVT automatic Official fuel/CO2 65.7mpg / 104g/km Performance 0-62mph: 10.9sec Top speed 106mph Road tax band B (£15, alternative fuel) Price £20,677 Fuel used on test 11.34 gallons (48.1mpg) Fuel cost £54.64 (petrol)

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clumsy bastard

Pleas eff off you are a plantpot.

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Doctor Drivel

That is right. The Prius is simple - it has fewer components. It doesn't even have an in-line gearbox. The Chevy Volt (electric drive only) promises to be simpler too.

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Doctor Drivel

er, er.... The new Prius averages 60mpg in the US mixed test. Better than the old model. And doesn't sound or feel like a tractor.

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Doctor Drivel

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