In message snipped-for-privacy@pvr2.lan, Rod Speed snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com writes
Which it nearly did, had it not been for the Bank of England rapidly stepping in to juggle the books to make things look better than they probably were.
No one ever made such a claim.
No. It was simply pointed out that our present EU-based flying agreements would cease. No one said that we would not be able make our own arrangements.
Apparently, who was it?
It seems to me more likely to be the remainiacs I think.
It was never just about economics.
Of course, I really meant "52% of those who voted".
But what was the 'marketing puff' that the 'remainiacs' believed? There certainly wasn't that much pro-remain propaganda (which is, with some justification, one of the criticisms levelled at Team Remain by some of the leavers when they later realised they had been duped). Don't you remember some of the posts, such as "Instead of boring us witless telling us how bad leaving would be, why didn't you concentrate on pointing out all the benefits of EU membership?"
Many of whom are now pushing up daisies
Apart from the taxpayer-funded comic that came around to all households, you mean? With no equivalent taxpayer-funded handout for Leave - which might have paid for that unecessary "research" that Colin was bleating about.
Still trying to justify your gerrymandering attempts to be the one who decides which citizens make up the electorate, eh?
In message snipped-for-privacy@mid.individual.net>, Tim Streater snipped-for-privacy@streater.me.uk> writes
Don't you think the government behaved responsibly by informing the country of the obvious advantages of staying in? In contrast, we were bombarded from various sources with loads of vastly over-optimistic, populist, jingoistic pro-leave 'predictions' and (in the case of the £350M bus advert) 'suggestions'.
There's no point in telling me what happened some years back, I didn't take any notice of any propaganda then and it doesn't matter now. I have experience of life before the EEC and before the EU and I didn't like where we were headed so I'm happy with the result. It will get better as time goes on once we are past the economic issues caused by Covid and the war in Ukraine.
It took sides, something the *government* had no business doing. Individual MPs could have been quite free to make an economic case if they felt that to be relevant.
Another one who hasn't grasped that the vote whether to stay in or not was a
*political* choice, not an economic one. And see my sig.
Most of those voted on gut instinct, not marketing puff.
Bullshit. You are confusing what happened with Truss with brexit.
In fact it didnt.
That isnt what happened.
BULLSHIT with Project Fear alone.
Another bare faced lie.
Never happened.
In message snipped-for-privacy@mid.individual.net>, Tim Streater snipped-for-privacy@streater.me.uk> writes
But the government was probably in the best position to have an overall and comprehensive understanding of the benefits (and disadvantages) of EU membership. IIRC, apart from the tiny pro-Brexit breakaway pressure groups, none of the established political parties supported Brexit (although Labour did seem as if it didn't want to be seen to be supporting remaining too strongly, for obvious reasons).
Man doth not live by sovereignty alone.
See mine too!
They are still not better off, as claimed.
In message snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines snipped-for-privacy@outlook.com writes
Yeah, yeah - it's a well-known (alternative) fact that none of the present economic problems have anything at all whatsoever to do with the consequences Brexit. No - none whatsoever. [Jacob Rees-Mogg said it, so it must be true.]
The problem is that while the Brexit referendum might have seemed a good idea at the time, the vote (either way) was based on the circumstances that were prevailing at the time. If we had known that we were soon going to be hit by Covid, and then by the Ukraine war, I wonder if we would have postponed it - or would we still have gone ahead with it despite the prospect of several future years of economic and social upheaval?
Don't know, don't care. I am a forward looking Brexiteer not a stuck in the past Remainiac.
Project Fear. "We wont be able to buy stuff, our airliners will be banned from Europe, We wont be allowed to use EU ports, we won't have any trade deals with anyone, our H & S standards will be thrown out of the window and little boys will clean chimneys again etc etc.
I think you are so indoctrinated that you thought the propaganda was
*fact* Ian. Really there is little point in discussing this with you.How did Roger Scruton put it: 'You cannot reason a man out of a position that he did not arrive at through reason'.
You *start* from the assumption that the EU is a good benevolent structure.
Leavers have arrived at the conclusion that it is anything but, that it is a parasite and a cancer on the nations of Europe, a corrupt and corrupting influence that is literally and legally a law unto itself, and is not subject to democratic moderation.
A viewpoint that has been completely confirmed by its actions since Brexit.
Er no. It is the ossified remainers who represent the past. In the HOL and the house of commons.
Frankly Ian, if anything brexit has made it slightly easier for the UK
We were free to follow our own Vaccine policy, our own economic policy, and in the case of Ukraine to provide aid entirely without reference to the Kremlin controlled EU.
Our problems now are 90% of our own remainer politicians making, and they can, and will be voted out
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