OT: Rejoiners

Am 28/04/2023 um 11:58 schrieb Jeff Gaines:

Very disrespectful way of portraying Waitrose customers!

She wrote a badly worded item that upset the wrong group, given that her party is doing everything it can to avoid being called anti-Semitic.

That would have helped, but they really were not likely to vote Remain.

It is called not giving up at the first hurdle.

If that was the question, then you are wrong. I would have no problem with another leave referendum, as I seriously doubt the British public would make the same mistake again.

My point is that there were lots of different arguments and Leave only won because they happened to all come together at the same time.

Because we would be a lot better off now had we stayed in the EU. We are well behind the post pandemic recovery of other European countries and that is almost certainly because of Brexit.

badly.

Labour

There might have to be a join referendum first. We've already had a "stay in" referendum in 1973.

We're going to have to agree to differ here. The losing side will often excuse a result as "bad timing". Other time weather has been blamed for a party's poor performance in a GE.

Remainer generally try and convince everyone they are speaking on their behalf.

"We" is better off since the referendum. You may have fared differently as have businesses. However, in general, those in employment have done well out of Brexit.

Precisely my point. If the politicians on both sides of the house had put party politics second and their country first the outcome could have been very different.

In part Boris's hands were tied from the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020. He should have delayed Brexit and had the guts to repeal the legislation.

Oh dear oh dear. What a fool you are. No sensible person would want us to rejoin this corrupt, unaccountable, and un-democratic EU. Let it change to be a trading-only entity, and attitudes may change. Let it change to be an accountable and democratic entity, and there could also be scope for closer co-operation.

It wasn't any of their business to make any such plans. Leave campaingers were not the government; it was the government's job to make, and implement, any plans. You may recall that all the Remainer politicians promised to do so. Except perhaps the Libs; but then their attitude has always been "F*ck the public".

IOW, you can decide to have a little influence or no influence (France and Germany will always make all the decisions anyway). But either way, you'll PAY!

There you go again, imagining that the economic argument is the one that counts. Obviously you'd choose the Matrix if you had the chance.

That hasnt happened with the mobile phone system.

Bullshit.

Which isnt even possible to do.

Impossible for any 'analysis' to conclude that.

How odd that they increased after brexit happened.

Impossible for any 'analysis' to conclude that.

The reality is that given the polls, plenty of remainers decided that the referendum would fail, as did Cameron himself, and so didnt bother to vote.

But ignores the fact that it is politically impossible to rejoin now or any decade soon.

But none of the 3 that matter would actually be stupid enough to do that.

It is very far from clear that those factors were actually the reason for the win.

Bullshit, you lot lost.

They want any country that isnt actually an utter political obscenity to join because that makes the EU look better.

But there isnt any de Gaulle equivalent anymore.

Not with the best polls.

? Pollsters are given a

Polls that matter aren't done in person except with voting day exit polls.

Nope.

But with the best polls it is impossible to do demographics.

Bullshit.

Bullshit. The reality is that enough wanted to leave and Cameron didnt realise that and was stupid enought have a referendum.

It is very far from clear what the public want today, regardless of the polls, particularly when they find out about the detail of what returning would mean on the pound etc. That is something the polls don't even ask.

Because you are a remoaner.

What was the context of that quip? Something to do with protecting the markets from volatility by concealing negotiations over the Euro?

But taken out of context by dishonest Brexiteers, who don't give a fig for the truth.

TW

There is no evidence to support that claim.

Irrelevant. The majority who bothered to vote voted to leave.

No evidence of that last claim.

In your opinion.

Nor very much oil.

I think we'd also want to know how much the annual subscription would be.

I don't believe a statement like that *can* be taken out of context. There really isn't any dispute over its meaning.

I did actually gain a little respect for Juncker at that point, it's pretty rare for a politician to be that honest.

There is, by the way, a perfectly good newsgroup where UK political discussions are actually on-topic, called uk.politics.misc. It could certainly use a few more posters, and basically the same filters necessary for this group would work there.