Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim

[Robin]

You've tasted 90 year matured long pig?

Anyhow, I've always thought it's a waste to burn bodies. If the anatomy dept. doesn't want mine then I'd be happy for it to go for Soylent Green.

[Richard]

Nature's way of population control, which has been overturned by us. That, in turn, has led to the current unsustainable situation.

[Spike]

Doubtless someone made it up to suit their own purposes.

[Spike]

Technically, it was a skill that they gained from replacing veg in the first place of course.

[Tim Streater]

Oh certainly it's part of the discussion. Because what you've attempted to do throughtout this is to paint lactose tolerance as strange and unusual and unnatural. Which is typical dishonest behaviour for you (not a politician are you?). See this post of your here:

Yeah, you understand the difference all right and have attempted to suppress it throughout. Now it's been shoved down your throat you're having to wriggle.

[Andrew]

[phone]

[Andrew]

NO THEY AREN'T !!. They are treated like members of the family. Get Real.

<snip typically irrelevent and possibly fake videos - AGAIN>

name me one hobby farmer who does this ?

[Spike]

Careful...or we'll be back to T i m ' s support for child abuse, after his massive charm offensive to deflect people's attention away from his admission.

[Spike]

Really? Then why do you sound so embittered for so long?

[Tim Streater]

Considerably more than you, obviously.

Do I conclude from this strange outburst that you think that human milk

*doesn't* contain lactose? Or that you're unaware of why a large proportion of adults have no trouble drinking cows milk. It's called genetics.

The geographical spread of those adults who are tolerant/intolerant to lactose has already been explained. And it's just as well infants are tolerant of lactose, wouldn't you say?

[Richard]

The real irony is that for the sixty-odd years prior to your epiphany, you gorged yourself on animals and associated products. It is that diet which has enabled you to reach the pinnacle of your life and become an evangelist.

[RJH]

I'm not sure it's a cruel/kind binary. A rescue hen kept in decent conditions until they die. It's not ideal but I do see a mutual benefit. I don't believe I'm anthropomorphising here - I obviously don't *know* how the hen might be feeling about it all. And the eggs are just waste I'd have thought, from the hen's POV? I'd concede my view is largely informed by looking after some hens for a few weeks - I don't really know what I'm talking about.

I'd offer anyone my waste products but I don't think I'd get many takers :-)

[T i m]

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OMG. Are you one of those still suckling on your (a) mothers breast as an adult? ;-(

Oh the irony! Let's see how desperate you get in your effort to distract from the spirit of the conversation and my point again ...

Fact. They have maintained a tolerance by doing something unnatural, even if continuing to consume the milk of their own species after weaning. If you can gain any sucker from thinking you got one up on the spirit of my point re maintaining / losing tolerance to something that we don't have tolerance to naturally (because we wouldn't normally continue consuming it after weaning) then be my guest!

Aww bless. I wondered how desperate you would get in an effort to prove your black was white but you just rolled out that same tired strawman again. Is that really all you have got?

So, are you still suckling on human breast milk? Is it easy to find and how expensive is it? Do you drink it at body temperature or from the fridge?

I'll recap the points I was making before you tried one of your desperate strawmen / distractions.

Once human babies are weaned they no longer need, and generally don't then have access to, mothers milk (eg, what you are currently doing is weird, even if it's human milk).

Therefore, drinking the milk, meant for the offspring of another species, in 2021 and for the vast percentage of the world population is also weird. It's also cruel and exploitative of the species we are taking the milk from (engineering it to overproduce x10), not only denying the milk to the very baby it was destined for, but often killing that baby animal to get it.

Keep sucking those teats ... !

Cheers, T i m

[ARW]

[Tim Streater]

From the Wikipedia article on Lactose:

"Infant mammals nurse on their mothers to drink milk, which is rich in lactose."

Last time I looked, humans are mammals.

Now, T r o l l : how about you admit that you are a complete f****it?

I posted this before to make the point. Did you miss it?

That the ability to digest milk sugar as an adult varies geographically and is culturally driven, is something about which I *also* posted. So in some parts of the world, the %-age will be low (they don't and never have drunk cows milk as adults), in other parts (like here) the %-age is high and we do. So 40% worldwide is large, I'd say.

Your bollocks is getting very boring.

[Fredxx]

Like this?

Some gutless f****it desperately cowering behind Rod Speed [e-mail] spewed just the puerile shit and lies it always ends up with when its got done like a f****ng dinner, as it always is.

[Max Demian]

There are other ways to survive the long, winter months when meat and vegetables are scarce. You can tap the veins of cattle and drink their blood (as some people have done). Rich in dietary iron.

[RJH]

Gotcha - I didn't know they'd eat the eggs. I see now that I was causing harm by denying the hen its eggs to eat.

Of course they wouldn't be alive without my intervention but that's another discussion. I do find that difficult. I could have just left them to die (foxes). I think my sister's rage would have been my main concern I'm afraid :-)

They were 'free' to roam wherever they wanted, but it was up to me to entice them back to the coop at night with food.

I realise the hens we see today are not first generation natural - by a long shot - but I'm certainly not at the point where I'm after nature-pure. 'Not causing harm' is where I'd like to be, alongside 'doing good stuff'. Quite a way off but hey ;-)

[RJH]

I think that's (guy eating what I think was a roadkill fox) a different issue. In the scheme of things, I don't have problem with it.

[RJH]

How are you defining 'natural'?

On the production side, I don't see anything natural in what we do to cows, however well they're kept.

On the consumption side, even if there is a requisite and physiological need for cow's milk (there isn't) there are plenty of relatively benign alternatives.

But I think this does boil down to what you think 'natural' means.