See, and they say vegans are 'fussy'! (Well, yes we are, we 'prefer' our food didn't come with others suffering pain, suffering and death).
He replied with something about 'orange' but I'm not sure he understood the question so I've re-stated it in my reply (we are going to try some of his sourdough bread and I think he though we wanted it (vegan) glazed).
OOI, what is the main purpose of the glaze for you as it seems it can change the flavour and so there are some for sweet and some for savoury? If it's just the colour, wouldn't that only really be visible when the loaf is sitting there whole, rather than cut up in slices?
I guess it might be more relevant if you were making rolls etc?
That was my question after a quick Google on bread glazes (I've never glazed any of mine and so wasn't sure what the key purpose was). GB mentioned the colour but as a utilitarian I wouldn't really care about that and the wholegrain loaves I bake generally come out the colour I am used to seeing bread being in any case?
Unfortunately this is the sort of thing we (vegans) get all the time, people arguing against 'it' when they really don't understand what 'it' is. It is very very simple:
"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."
What they (and the vegetarians) don't get is the cruelty involved in the industrial production of milk and eggs, they think something has to die to have suffered.
They say stupid things like 'Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it.' but even as a wind-up it's both ignorant and childish because 'of course' vegans know that the only way you can get milk is to get a cow pregnant (typically artificially), let it give birth then deny that calf the milk by killing it, either then (specifically if it's a male as they are 'no use' for milk production), or after a few months (after containing it in a small pen (rose veal)) or subjecting it to the same slavery of producing 'industrial' levels of milk till it's exhausted and then it's killed at about 7 of it's 20+ year life.
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So why anyone would consume the growth fluid of a different species, especially after they have weaned is simply because that's how they were conditioned from a child and now can't actually see it for the bizarre process it is.
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They consider 'milk' a thing, a commodity and that we are supposed to have, when it's just the opposite and always has been.
They aren't actually 'vegan milk options', they are 'human milk options' as we should never have been consuming the growth fluid of a different species in the first place!
Once you have undone all the indoctrination you (we) have been subjected to for (for most here), many many years you should be able to see it for the weird behaviour that it has always been.
Now, 'I get' you might stoop to all sorts of levels to do things to survive but we aren't talking about survival in 2021, well not for a vast proportion of the population in any case. And given 65% of the population are lactose intolerant (more intolerant of cows milk than pretty well anything else), that should give you the clue that maybe we weren't ever meant to drink it.
Building up a tolerance to something we weren't naturally tolerant to (because it wasn't meant for us) makes as much sense of keeping smoking even though it makes you sick until you can do it without being sick.
Or you can buy it in pretty well any supermarket. ;-)
I used to like the occasional bit of cheese, a strong cheddar typically but was warned off 'dairy' by my doctor for health reasons a good few years ago (as has my BIL).
Vegan cheese (scheese) isn't the same taste as cows milk cheese but the general texture is there , as is the meltability (as in cheese on toast) and is fine on say a pizza (Pappa John's do a fair range of vegan pizzas, as do most of them of course now) but it's not yet quite the same.
However, what we are doing then is comparing the taste of something we are used to, something we shouldn't have been consuming in the first place ('cows milk' was meant for 'cows', not humans (same with goat milk etc)) the same applies to anything made from it, like butter and cheese.
So, it's not 'going without' anything, it's not assuming you can have something you have stolen from someone else.
Well mothers do produce human milk for their babies. Its also documented that mothers can breast feed for several years..... I've heard of kids still breast feeding at age 6.
So clearly humans can at least drink & digest human milk.....
What would your thoughts be on harvesting human milk and making cheese, butter, yoghurt etc out of it?
(a genuine question rather than an attempt to wind anyone up... :-) )
"Was meant for"? Who by? God? Your mindset is very weird.
How can you steal from a cow that you own? Cows with full udders are damned glad when milking time comes.
Humans assume that we can make full use of the natural world because there's no reason why not. We are the dominant species after all. Rape loot and pillage, that's what I say.
Why not? Who says? Where does this ruling come from? You're doing what the greeny nutters do, trying to make rules for everyone based on your minority crackpot ideas.
I'm a member of a species that has co-existed with farm animals for millennia. That's not indoctrination, it's the natural world as it's evolved.
Got a source for that figure? As it applies to our indigenous population? I know some effniks have problems with milk.
No it isn't comparable because smoking is bad for you and milk is good for you.
Because we have evolved the gene to digest milk, 100% of the Irish posses this gene by way of example.
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It is a commodity, much like soy , coconut and other food products. Milk has been part of our natural balanced diet for thousands of years. You'd rather that not be the case and so bury your head in the sand.
I suspect if T r o l l tried to discuss these views with humans from say 20k years ago, the response would be short, sharp, and stone-age.
He quotes 65% of the population as lactose intolerant. I assume he means the world population, since such a number certainly wouldn't apply to just this country. Here, we are in the group that is mostly lactose tolerant. And from what I recall, it's not that the others are intolerant per se, just that their cultures don't include drinking cows milk later in life. But ours does, and so we stay tolerant to it. This is because if you drink cows milk as a child, and then stop, the body loses the ability to produce lactase, the enzyme that can break down lactose, the sugar in milk. Drinking milk as adults is part of our culture, so talking about intolerance is bollocks.
Lactase is found in other mammals than humans. We are all born with the ability to produce it - wouldn't be able to digest human milk otherwise.
Occasionally you see animals sucking offspring of other species; usually the latter are orphans. Prhaps T r o l l needs to go have a word with them about it.
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