Grenfell and gas pipes.

The landlord's insurance co. could pick this kind of thing up. Tenant questionnaire plus sample inspection could verify risks.

Which? have a list...

And how long has Hotpoint FF175BP been on it?

It's driers that seem to be mentioned often as the cause of fires. But then the meja do tend to latch on to one thing. Used to be chip pans.

You'd have to work out the costs of doing these inspections. On the many thousands of high rise flats. Almost certainly not cost effective. Since there is no evidence such an inspection could have prevented the Grenfell fire.

Which? did an FOI request on fires caused by household appliances

Dangerous things ... I know of a fire service whose mobile chip pan demonstration unit burnt down!

Do you know for sure it was insured, rather than self-insured?

I've just quickly checked my insurance, and if my tenants burn down the flat with their appliances, my insurance company persues the tenant/tenant's insurance company.

As a reasonably sane landlord, I insist that I the landlord supply, test and replace the kitchen appliances, and forbid the tenants from bringing in their own. Unless they manage to carefully hide them they would be noticed when I have the annual gas inspection done.

As a matter of interest, who do you use to test the freezer and tumble drier, etc? And what does the test consist of?

He supplies and tests it so he can be held responsible when it catches fire and kills someone. He will be OK as long as his insurance is good.

The manufacturer tests them. I buy them new from a reputable supplier, and replace them every five years or so, and keep all the paperwork. My insurance has the option of persuing the manufacturer for "non-merchantable quality".

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Flanders and Swann:

"We had to look outside during the interval, see if our car's all right. It's getting a bit old, it'll have to be tested soon. You know they started these tests for 10-year-old cars, they brought it down to six, now five, they'll bring it down to three. There's even been some talk of having them tested before they leave the factories."

Doesn't matter, if I see a damaged cable or whatever I don't need to be a PAT tester to be able to say it shouldn't be used. In fact I have about 50 or so items out in the lab which I've labled not to be used.

No it's not. A PAT test would give you at the very least the Earth resistance, in the past I;ve had items that have failed this.

If all you need is to look just get a paair of glasses or a webcam.

Just because you have no idea.

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How does that work with appliance where the earth pin is a bit of plastic?

mmm... webcams in all council flats. What could possibly go wrong?

Some are.

A PAT test would give you at the very least the Earth resistance, in the past I;ve had items that have failed this.

not always

NT

I usually don't bother reading you arguing with the other wallies here.

or when it's metal but the earth connection is in no way acessible at the other end, as with some wallwarts

Why does he argue so much when he has not a clue.

NT

Check with someone that does PAT testing. It;s pretty much teh same with applienaces that are 50V or less, thais doesn't mean they can't catch fire or cause damage, none of the samsung phones could be PAT tested. And string at them wouldnlt have told yuo eiterh so a visual PAT test wouldn't have shown the faults, that doesnlt mean there weren't any.

Or what could go right depending on yuor aims.

Maybe a web cam on the applience that went faulty may have raised an alarm quicker in Grenfell tower