Grenfell and gas pipes.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Really? Got some statistics to back that up?

As supplied by the maker, some fridges and driers etc seem perfectly capable of self destructing with or without PAT.

[Steve Walker]

How close do they actually need to be? As a teenager, friends and I used to wander around some open land (ex-brickworks clay pits) that were used as landfill sites (now a nature reserve) and one winter's evening there was a fire in one of the pits - I remember it well, because the firemen borrowed our torch as it was better than theirs :) - and they could not get their vehicle anywhere near, but they had plenty of hoses to reach. Surely a dry riser can be fed by coupling multiple lengths of hose too?

SteveW

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 09:58:10 on Mon, 3 Jul

2017, "Dave Plowman (News)" remarked:

White goods should be much easier. As soon as one bursts into flames (and I've cited the Fire Brigade warning that numerous do, on a regular basis) then ban that particular model number.

[Roland Perry]

In message , at

02:21:10 on Mon, 3 Jul 2017, [e-mail] remarked:

Can you spell "ghetto"?

[mechanic]

catflaps!

[tabbypurr]

If you need statistics to work out that PAT testing reduces fire risk you should really see your doctor.

For sure. And surely irrelevant.

[tabbypurr]

Unlikely to be workable. And of course one fire is a poor assessment of risk.

NT

[tabbypurr]

Yes. It would be a huge improvement on sprinkling them around council estates. Only a public landlord could be so pick-a-word as to not effectively tackle this persistent problem.

NT

[Roland Perry]

In message , at

04:14:56 on Mon, 3 Jul 2017, [e-mail] remarked:

Did you read the cites? [Hint: rather more than one fire]

[Roland Perry]

In message , at

04:17:34 on Mon, 3 Jul 2017, [e-mail] remarked:

Of course, a lot of left-wingers in Kensington apparently think that Grenfell *was* that ghetto.

[tabbypurr]

It wasn't, there were ok people there as well.

NT

[tabbypurr]

That does not support your view that one single fire should result in a ban.

NT

[dennis]

No but the chances of both being full of smoke is somewhat less.

If its the tenants then who do you want to blame?

I think the cladding is being used to hide the poor design in the hope they wont have to demolish similar blocks or build new escape routes to replace the crappy core. They still need to enforce the safety rules or those escape routes would become death traps. As I said before I have seen what stupid people do in tower blocks and you can blame the government all you like but it was the tenants that were doing the stupid things.

[dennis]

That's not actually true. They have no duty to house anyone that has made themselves intentionally homeless. Getting evicted can be intentional because of many things, like bad behaviour, refusing to pay the rent, etc.

They may have to take children into care but the adults don't have to be rehoused.

[dennis]

How? An inspection of the cables and plugs might but a PAT test?

[charles]

a visual inspection is the most important part of any PAT test.

[Roland Perry]

In message , at

06:20:28 on Mon, 3 Jul 2017, [e-mail] remarked:

[Roland Perry]

In message , at

06:19:16 on Mon, 3 Jul 2017, [e-mail] remarked:

Did I say I agreed with those left-wingers?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

There have been lots and lots of verified tales of a certain drier bursting into flames. Yet that hasn't been banned. Or the makers even forced to modify them within a set time.

Is your answer to ban all after one instance of a fire? I could see some very interesting lawsuits after that one.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

OK. Now tell us how PAT would show up the likelihood of a fire in an appliance like a fridge.

Do you actually know what PAT involves?