That is absolutely true but not unique in it's own right. Many people
are not going to be able to afford any saw that they buy regardless of
price and will cut back somewhere else. Unfortunately the economy is
in the shape it is in mostly because a majority of the people bite off
more than they can chew and are absolutely not prepared for a rainy day.
Then there is inflation which makes most every thing go up in price and
very seldom adds any value.
SawStop technology is not unique in driving up prices. The automobile
industry is a prime example of safety costing all of us more.
On 3/10/2014 7:36 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Yes there are LOT"S not to like. Given that, there is a thing or two
that is of benefit to some one.
Gass lobbied to have his technology mandated after being turned down and
or the deals fell through prior to him actually manufacturing the
And on another note it could be assumed that given the methods he used
to bring the product to market and the fact that he is a patent attorney
might dictate that his product be damn well effective and no cost
cutting measures be used if there is possibility of those measures
affecting the performance of the saw. Imagine the vengeance that would
be directed toward him or his company should there be and injury and any
proof of tampering or change of design to save production costs.
In my case more of a deduction. Given my previous profession and
decision making on a daily basis there was not time for emotion. I
still think this way, for the most part, and probably why I have a bit
of a different attitude towards the SawStop political side.
That would be an assumption but not a fact. Because no contracts are in
effect no one knows what might have been. Believing/thinking that he
had no intention of being flexible during a real negotiation would be
like a similar assumption that the company that he actually did have a
deal with was strong armed by the other manufacturers to not go through
with the agreement. A reasonable assumption but only an assumption.
I do believe that cost was the prime factor. BUT not necessarily only
the cost of paying Gass. There are many many other costs that could
have and probably were factored in. What would the cost be for
additional product liability for something that they had not developed
themselves. What would be the cost of having double inventory and
manufacturing capability for the saws with and with out technology.
What would tooling cost to reinvent their product to be compatible with
the technology. There are countless down the road expenses that come
into play other than simply the cost of to use the technology. Changing
your product is quite expensive in itself. You really don't see many
changes in these type products through out the life of the basic design.
The Unisaw saw is quite old and kept it's basic design for many many
years. Only recently did Delta change that design drastically and it
appears that the new design is not on every ones wish list. Sales of
the old Unisaw design were probably better than the new Unisaw design.
Well there is no proof actually. That would be another assumption. Do
you know exactly why the deal fell through? Have you seen the written
reason that the company used to withdraw from the agreement?
Yes it does seem to look that way. And my thoughts just above, about
why the deal/deals fell through, are just an assumption.
The one that bought the congresscritter, perhaps. Liberty is better
for everyone else, though.
Thanks. I took it to mean that you didn't like his marketing (making)
the saw himself, after he couldn't find anyone else to license his
patent. I didn't make any sense. ;-)
Sure. I don't take anything away from him for the technology/patent,
just his tactics.
OK? I came to the opposite conclusion. Same facts + different
weighting = different answer. That's "emotional" and yours wasn't?
My conclusion from the writings at the time. It's the best
information we'll ever have.
Disagree, well, after what it would take to actually produce and
market the saw with the brake.
Sure, those are costs but I don't think they're on the same order of
magnitude. Did the survivors of seat belt accident victims sue Ford
and GM after seat belts were installed? "Best practices" and all
About the same time as the SawStop patents (2002). I'd love the new
design but, like the SawStop, it's well beyond what I was willing to
pay. There is no way it's worth 2x the old design.
It didn't happen. If it would make them money, do you think they'd
refuse? A former boss taught me the meaning of the "existence
theorem", long ago. ;-)
Where does the Constitution explicitly allow federal government
control of my safety? Are soda drinks next?
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 13:18:27 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Fact is, you are a liar. You twist what's been said, ignore pertinent
statements and outright lie when it serves your purpose. Coupled with
your ongoing senility, any discussion where there's even the slightest
disagreement, you go off the deep and start fabricating bullshit.
On 3/10/2014 11:24 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Well Larry's comments are incorrect too. The $3K SawStop is the
Professional Cabinet saw with 52" fence and 3hp motor, not the
Contractors saw. And the Industrial, original, in the common set up is
$4K. less with a shorter than 52" fence.
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 12:24:05 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
I read your crap for its entertainment value. You don't like what I
post? Take some of your own advice and don't read it.
Not that I expected anything different, but you really are a senile
old fool aren't you?
It is a consensus. Most all TS reports, with the SawStop involved,
most always place the SawStop as a top quality machine.
Simply the arbor/trunnion assembly is quite HD on all models when
compared to the competition.
I'm part of the consensus.
I don't envision myself ever getting a new tablesaw, but if I did, it
would be SawStop. Well made tool and the safety is a bonus.
That said, if I ever opened a hot dog cart, I'd cut them with a knife as
the SawStop would be too time consuming for that operation.
By making sales of tablesaws. While the consensus is Lamborghini is a
fun car to drive to work, most of us can't afford one for an every day
driver. Sears still sells a bunch of the $299 saws to people that would
rather have a $1500 SawStop.
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