On 3/9/2014 6:23 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Well way way back when I thought it was a good enough idea to make
mandatory. I have changed my mind on that given the implications that if
you give them an inch they will take a mile. I never liked the method
of the product being marketed after being turned down by the other
builders. But I am quite flexible in my thinking. If you can show me
valid reasoning I will consider it but I prefer to leave the emotional
side of reasoning to my wife, and she would whole heartily agree.
Well that is here say. Since no actual contracts were negotiated no one
really knows what the contracts would have said. Naturally a
manufacturer will ask the highest price that they think they can get.
And one of the manufacturers did agree to the some kind of terms but
something, and no one knows what that some thing was, did cause the deal
to fall through the cracks. I highly suspect there was some agreement,
by those that were approached, to not accept the offers and force this
new guy out. Little did any of them know just how successful Gass would
be in producing his own product and is also suspect they are all
probably rethinking the opportunity missed.
In a nut shell no one knows what any of the negotiated deals would have
Perhaps impossible for you but I have no problem with simply looking at
the product. Now if you really want to get pissed off lets consider the
fact that we no longer have a choice of buying health care or not. At
least with the SawStop the intentions were not to mandate that every
citizen of the US be required to buy a SawStop even if they did not ever
have any intention of buying any woodworking equipment what so ever.
I was thinking back to when Rob Lee was giving me a tour of the new
downtown Toronto store. It had a new SawStop down one of the seminar
rooms. Apparently, the company's insurance company had coerced the use
of SawStops in all the stores.
This was several years ago, before any SawStop related payouts had hit
On 3/11/2014 11:05 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It is no different than my insurance company, they stopped covering a
fuel oil tank in my basement, of course the rate didn't drop. But they
will cover it still, if I pay for a separate rider on my policy, price
was crazy stupid.
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
I can see an insurance company recommending the SawStop but to demand
what equipment you use will probably not fly. Unless laws dictates
such, they too could be found liable in a case where the SawStop might
fail for what ever reason.
On 3/10/2014 6:36 PM, email@example.com wrote:
It occurs to me to wonder whether the other saw manufacturers considered
If they began installing the SawStop device on their machines and
someone with a previous machine lost a finger and sued because his
machine wasn't recalled and retrofitted with the device...well...you know.
On 3/11/2014 2:25 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
No, I'll agree with him considering the fact that he, in that sentence,
did not indicate that the only cost would be the one to pay Gass. There
are many many other costs to consider short and long term when changing
the design of a product. Given Delta's financial state it may have been
more than they could have afforded to simply change tooling even of Gass
had not charged for the technology. Liability costs and issues probably
came into play given this technology was not proven with the test of time.
Oddly when all of this negotiating was happening I thought the figures
tossed out there to buy the technology was not at all out of line.
Today seeing how many of the manufacturers are really struggling to stay
afloat I can see how the possibility of buying in now would be a
struggle. To me it looks like the manufacturers put too much emphasis
on cost 10 or so years ago vs. investing in their futures. If that was
the case, most probably made a bad business decision and they appear to
be falling farther behind. And given the talk about the technology
being too expensive to buy for the consumer it appears that the consumer
is not as concerned with the cost of the SawStop as many had thought. I
seriously doubt that the SawStop technology will ever be mandated. The
SawStop seems to be a complete success story and the direction that
SawStop is going will lead the industry. I believe that the vast
majority of the people will want a saw with this technology.
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