On 06 Mar 2014 17:00:43 GMT, Puckdropper
Exactly! Some 40+ years ago I got the very tip of my thumb into the
blade when I flicked a piece of waste close by as the blade was
winding down. With poor florescent lighting I realized later that you
can't always see the real edge of the blade.
Every since then I work up a good case of fear, terror and respect for
the blade before I even turn the saw on. It keeps my mind centered and
not distracted. About like holding a loaded gun with the safety off.
Gray/viejo lobo gris
For the last ten years I've used a table saw daily, and for thirty or so
years prior to that, I'd used one at least a few of times a week. A few
youthful misadventures with kickback taught me respect. I'm not foolhardy
enough to say I can't get hurt again, but if I do, it won't be because I
have a false sense of security from having a saw that makes a workshop safe
for hot dogs.
Do you wear a seatbelt when you're driving Tyrone? Do you have a smoke
detector or carbon monoxide detector in your home Tyrone? The SawStop
is a safety device just like anything else. If all these things are
likely to give you a false sense of security then you've got a
On 3/7/2014 10:17 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The degree to which any safety device contributes to the utilitarian
value to the owner varies with the ....owner.
I would question the value of the Saw Stop safety device to someone who
is extraordinarily safety conscious when operating any device that
presents a danger.
Am I prepared to trade some expensive and desirable tool in exchange for
the safety a SawStop offers (say a jointer and a less expensive table
(actually, I am since I can afford to)
But for the individual who has to scrape together money for tools the
choice might not be so easy.
Having said that, if I were in the market for a new table saw the
determining factor for my choice would be the quality of the tool.
None of the foregoing should be interpreted as a criticism of the
(and, by the way, insurance data shows that seat belts apparently do
cause drivers to develop a false sense of security. That's why people
often do not buckle up for short trips but when they hit the freeway
they do buckle up.)
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:19:11 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Completely irrelevant. A similar silly-statement would be "How many
people who had limbs lost in car accidents, prefer they stayed home
that day?". Life *is* about risk/reward, no matter how much the
nanny-state tries to tell you otherwise.
There is no such thing as "safe". The only question is how much are
you willing to pay for each bit of "safety". When I bought my saw, I
looked at a SawStop but decided that the Unisaw would look nice in the
garage (nicer than the Griz). A picture of a SawStop just wouldn't
Do you have a SawStop?
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:35:42 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I don't even have a workshop. All of my woodworking is limited to the
workbench in my living room. But, if I did have a workshop, I'd
seriously consider a SawStop or a sliding table panel saw. That being
said, my needs are different than the average woodworker.
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 12:17:34 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
There's always a decision to be made. And, you've chosen to ignore my
statement that my situation when using a tablesaw is different than
I do however question your comparison ridiculous comparisons as to
The SawStop mechanism DOES NOT double the price of the saw. It doesn't
even come close. The SawStop tablesaw itself is a well made, very
decent operating tablesaw with top notch fit and finish.
There's a number of regular $3000 tablesaws on the market and the
SawStop is as good if not better than all of them.
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 12:28:35 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Since you've not made that decision and have just admitted that
perhaps it's not "stupid" to buy a non-stop saw, you really have no
Fact, Jack. That's *exactly* the decision I was confronted with.
$1600 for the Unisaw - $3500 for the "equivalent" SawStop. The $1600
was do-able (up from the $1400 for the budgeted Griz). $3500 would
have had me laughed out of the "capital acquisition" meeting.
It *DID*. That's the point.
Oh, good grief! When *you* make the decision with *your* money, come
back and we'll talk.
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 12:42:21 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
As usual, your fact are full of holes.
Powermatic PM2000 ~ $3000
Delta 36-L352 ~ $3000
SawStop Professional cabinet saw ~ $3000
The REAL TRUTH is that MOST SawStop naysayers like you are too busy
letting your emotions overrule your common sense. You hate GASS'
business tactics so much that you'll consider any excuse to exclude a
SawStop from your purchasing condition.
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 13:03:10 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Now you're calling me a liar. Figures.
I'm telling you WHAT MY DECISION WAS. GOT IT?
Bullshit. Like most suck-ups, you're talking out both sides of your
mouth. You admit that price is an issue and that there is a decision
to be made, yet you denigrate those who don't agree with a choice
you've NEVER MADE and probably never will.
I don't care that some love SawStop. Sobeit. Their decision.
However, when some know-nothing jumps into the fray, talking out both
sided of his mouth, it's really funny.
On 3/9/2014 12:18 PM, email@example.com wrote:
It does speak volumes to actually have stepped up and bought the saw. I
Every one is entitled to their opinion with out being attacked and or
being compared to an idiot or the possibility of being more of an idiot.
Experience trumps, "what he said" or going with the popular consensus,
On 3/9/2014 5:05 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I think where you and I may be at odds on this discussion is that you
might think that "I" think the SawStop should be in every ones shop. I
don't believe that to the extent that everyone must have one in their
shop. I think it would be good if the competition would have partnered
with SawStop to begin with and then every one could have had the choice
of having the technology "or not" in the brands of their choice.
I prefer to leave the political aspect out of the discussion.
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