That is kind of a jerk knee question. A bit of research would provide
Delta by a thread. They are but a small fraction in size and in
offerings compared to what they offered 5~8 years ago.
Have you actually asked a store that sells SawStop how the SS units sell
compared to the other brands?
You may have been taking them a bit too literally. ;~) More
believable, my Woodcraft says that SawStop out sells all the other
brands combined. Then again Woodcraft is pricey and their prime target
customer may be willing to spend more for something that they want.
When I was shopping and ready to pull the trigger on the industrial SS I
was looking at the unit in the store shop. Another customer was
considering the same industrial SS. Mass is always a good thing on a
quality saw, less vibration. I told the guy to lift the right extension
table. It would not budge with out considerable effort. He bought the
saw. This particular saw weighs just shy of 700lbs with the 52" fence.
Ironically the hydraulic lift mobile base that SS sells for the
industrial saw moves the saw with a push of the finger. I have to be
careful not to leave my saw unattended in the lifted position. My
garage has a slight slope towards the street and it will roll out of the
garage on it's own.
They eventually moved most of the other saws out of the place. My
thinking is that their commissions and markups are much higher on
SawStop. They act in a way which is consistent with that. I don't see
them doing any other sort of table saw demonstrations on Saturday
morning! I don't begrudge them anything, I'm sure it's a tough
business to maintain. I could do with out the "selling by fear" sales
Unfortunately, until SawStop patents expire and competitors get
onboard, fear always will be one of the greatest purchaser motivators.
It's usually only for the more discerning, hard core or professional
woodworkers, that fit, finish and build quality of the SawStops comes
It could well be that the fear of a lawsuit for selling something a jury
would deem unsafe is at least part of that reason.
Most of the jury pool is sufficiently dumbed down to believe anything a
lawyer tells them; and it is unlikely that they have ever operated a
table saw, or even seen one, since shop classes were considered too
dangerous when they were little yuppies-in-training.
I've been wondering. We've all heard details of the law suits where
they've awarded large money amounts in non-SawStop tablesaw injuries.
Has anybody seen any statistics where awards have been minimal in
other similar types of law suits?
In other words, how many similar suits have been a failure because
jurors were not sufficiently dumbed down?
Increased profit could be it. One thing to consider however and unless
something has changed in the last year, Woodcraft does not stock SawStop
industrial saws in their stores. They have plenty of the rest but when
I ordered my industrial version I got the distinct impression that
SawStop wanted it that way. My saw came directly from SawStop to
Woodcraft to me only after I ordered. Additionally one cannot order an
industrial version from a dealer that is not in his or her state. You
have to order from a dealer in your state. As far as the Pro and
Contractor versions go you can order them from whom ever yu like.
So with that in mind if buying an industrial SS there is no advantage in
delivery time, all things being equal, over another brand that is sold
by a the same dealer.
I can't speak for woodcraft. They are a bit pricy, but do sell some quality
products. And any retail store that sells to a demographic that is up the
ladder from hobbyists or home repair guys wants to project an image. With
products to match that image.
I find it interesting that a store is selling a quality product and you
reduce this whole marketing and retailing approach as a "selling by fear"
sales tactic. Maybe it is just a sell a quality product because it makes
sense for our demographic and targeted market. Remember, you can get the
cheaper saw many other places. Not that many places to get a SawStop.
You seem strongly emotionally involved in this. Do you do this kind of
thing with other retailers? Or do you just reserve this kind of hostility
for Woodcraft? Or is it a SawStop thing?
You have to remember that the retail world is changing, big time. Office
Max is substantially reducing their stores. They do half of their business
online now. And almost a quarter of their in store sales is selling
computer printing supplies. You don't need a big box store to sell printing
supplies. Radio Shack is closing one quarter of their stores. I don't see
a future for Radio Shack. Retail is tough, and becoming more so every day.
Now, I don't want to make you consider things that you find totally
objectionable. But consider this. If Woodcraft fallowed a strategy that
you would find pleasing, they very well may be out of business in the near
future. You have to let them do what they have to survive in a increasing
I also feel left out in various businesses product offerings. There has
been a number of innovative restaurants that have opened near me that I just
loved. I loved the food, environment, pricing, etc. And the all went out
of business. I do like barbeque joints though. I can bitch and complain
all I want. But guess what? I am not part of a demographic that would
support such a an eating establishment. If there were more people like me,
those place would still be in business. Without sufficient numbers, these
bright, creative ideas perish.
Sooo.........., I bitch and complain and get by.
That is interesting. I guess I'm not really in their demographic. I'm
not presently in the market for any Festool products or any new $300
hand planes. The only reason I go more than once of year is because of a
carving group that meets there. I do take an interst in the way that
all people who market or sell to me, do it. For instance, the
observation you made above adds to my insight. When I wrote, I was not
thinking of them projecting an image. My guess was that they were
putting some of those products there to make their other prices appear
lower (that's a common tactic too). Generally, given the opportunity
to pay to project an image myself, I go the other way. Others get
caught up in labels, etc. We weren't all born with a silver spoon...
Possibly another economic factor too. Lawyers tend to drag everyone
into the suits that has loose change in their pockets. "Woodcraft
knowingly sold this XYZ brand to my client knowing he could cut his
penis off if he jumped on top of the saw"
Yes that could explain why they are pushing that particular product but
I'm sure that you could still buy any brand that they carry and or have
a relationship with if the customer wanted that. Either way the
customer is getting a quality product if he is buying SawStop. It is
not like they are pushing some thing like what you would find at Harbor
Freight or Sears as their line of preference.
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