Don't be hypocrits. The making more money thing is temporary until a
price war breaks out. This usually happens very soon in competitive
industries. Once a proce war is on, the prices come down and everyone is
happy because they paid less.
Just look at WalMart, they truly have lower prices, and part of the
reason is that they hired a cheaper company that hired illegal immigrant
The moral of the story: Americans, by shopping in droves at WalMart, are
causing this on themselves. There's not other way about it. Companies
are not going to complain about getting cheap labor, specially if they
expand their marketshare. It is up to the citizens (who are too busy
shopping at WalMart) to initiate the reform.
The big, big losers in this are unskilled (or low-skilled) american
workers whcih are being replaced by cheap labor. Both here and abroad.
The bad thing is that skilled jobs are also leaving the country, and
americans do not cry about that at all.
A better solution would be the Sales Tax only system.. Then you could
choose how to pay your taxes, or not to. I have been involved in the
creation of many "off-shore" positions (I.T.) to Montreal. The main
reason my company did it was that Wall Street expects it to happen now
or the company doesn't look like they are in control of their labor
costs. It has nothing to do with legalizing foreign labor. It has
everything to do with stock price. I guess pretty soon, I'll be going
over the wall to Mexico looking for a job.
firstname.lastname@example.org (Charlie Self) wrote in
The true problem isn't with corporate america it is with Americans.
Corporate America does what it does to maximize profits. Why? Because
the stockholders demand it. Who are these evil stockholders that force
our corporations to outsource high paying jobs to low wage countries?
You YOU and ME. We all have 401Ks now. We are all in the "market" one
way or the other.
Now why is there illegal immagration? The same answer as above. It is
because of you and me. Why? Because when we go grocery shopping we
shop for the lowest price goods. If farmers could pay $10.00 an hour
for orange pickers then oranges would cost $10.00 a pound at the grocery
store instead of $0.99. You want to end the demand for cheap labor then
get off your but and stop demanding low cost goods.
I made a workbench for a friends grandson. It was a fun project and I
did it for the fun of it. When I got done I had 20 hours of labor in it
and $50.00 in materials. She gave me $125.00 for it. Why? Because she
could go out and buy a store bought one simular that was made in China
for about the same amount. So I made 75/20 or $3.75 an hour. To have
made a "living wage" off of it I would have had to charge $250 - $300 of
of it. There is no way that a "toy" her grandson is going to beat on
with a hammer is worth that.
Do don't blame the illegal imagrants, or corporate America, blame
yourself - all of you/us are the problem.
The next time you shop a sale, or purchase a product based on price then
just remember you are the cause.
By the way - all of the "you"s in this are the global you, not
If the price of oranges would go up 1000% if the farmer paid $10/hr, they
must be paying the pickers about $.01/hour. The percentage of the retail
price of an orange that goes to farm labor is probably less 3%.
hm.. ive realy tried to see your reasoning but it makes no sense. the
reason it makes no sense is because of the differen values of the
dollar. people working in say pakistan can and do work for much less
money than we do here because the us dollar is worth much more in
pakistan than it is here. our minimum home in my area is around
100,000 dollars but the minimum home in pakistan is probly 10% of that
so those folks are living just as good on the money they make as we
are on what we make. those illegals that come here are willling to
live with 4 or 5 or more families under the same roof. are you? am i?
i think not. they come from poverty so those living conditions are a
huge step up for them. us corporations only concider the bottom line.
they do not care about their workers needs only the bottom line. sad
but true. if they can cut prodution costs by 50% then that 50% goes in
their pockets not ours. sure the stockholders make a little but not
nearly as much as the corporate execs. if you think your 401k is gonna
suport you when you are too old to work think again my friend. with
inflation you will likley need a second income just to keep your home
much less eat. i dont know what the answer is either but at the rate
we are going there will no longer be a middle class in this country
before too long. there will be rich and poor period. and without the
working middle class we are doomed. skeez
You know, I understand your frustration. But, much as I despise what
the Republicrat wing of the Republican party has done, I can't imagine
having somebody like Dean or Kerry (who voted to cancel the F-15, the F-
14, the Patriot missile system, the Aegis missile cruiser system, cut
funds to the F-16, the Tomahawk missile system -- i.e. every major
defense system in our inventory) in charge of our defense. Especially
given the current environment with Al Queada continuing to plan
additional attacks on the US.
Why, all we have to do is ignore them, pull all American interests,
public and private, back home, and forcibly convert the entire nation
to Islam and then the poor misunderstood peaceful practitioners of
Islam will leave us alone.
Well, actually, I suspect they'd go after someone else, possibly the
UK or Russia, maybe even Japan.
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
On 05 Feb 2004 08:53:41 GMT, email@example.com (Charlie Self)
Truer words were never said Charlie - And the immigration problem is a
direct result of complicity between big government and big business to
keep your wages low - supply and demand baby - just like the war on
drugs, it's all a sham. Yeah that taco is getting more expensive by
the minute. But corporate greed is only starting to rear it's ugly
head - next thing to look for is outsourcing of higher paying jobs to
India and similar third world countries by the IBM's and the financial
institutions; this is going on right now behind our backs while the
media concentrates it's news on nonexistent WMD's.
We're slowly but surely all getting dragged down to the lowest common
denominator where we'll be competing directly with Chinese peasants
for work - I say we should stop this global madness now before it's
too late. I hope I haven't offended any executive types out there, but
your days are numbered too.
I guess the point I was trying to make is that if people are forced to
choose one product over another, they will resent it. Build a better
product at a competitive price and you will not need the government to
heavily tax items that we want to buy.
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