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They must be very small animals. Making such claims doesn't help your cause and merely emphasises your fanaticism.

I'm sure you kill more than 900 animals every day without knowing. Perhaps we should ban bleach next?

Which doesn't make it any more true every time you post this nonsense.

You seem to have missed the point about Tim's posts. They have nothing to do with animal welfare, but everything to do with veganism.

Tim has made it very clear that his veganism has been forced on him by family members.

He resents this in much the same way many married men crave for a an affair outside the marriage. He is jealous and denigrates anyone for doing precisely what he craves.

We have save 4 peoples worth, 4 out of millions doing the same. But again, you don't seem to get the focus here, it's *nothing** to do with me but *everything* to do with the animals. I don't want your (patronising) 'pat on the back', I would like you to consider what I and millions like me are trying to do, even if that is confusing for you are requires you to take a step back and consider a different POV?

If only that were the case ... and a concept that explains why you and others are part of the problem. ;-(

If there were no victims, you wouldn't hear from me but there are ... so you actually *create* veganism by *your* lifestyle choices.

Only when the animals they exploit and slaughter can go about theirs.

All my OT posts are marked accordingly. The subject is made clear and if you can't resist you can set up a killfile?

Whilst he may be trying to he (and all the other trolls) give me a nice platform to try to get others to think about the fact that their 'choices' *aren't* victimless. It also gives me an insight how psychopaths think. ;-)

Bwhahahaha .... yeah, like 'Red Tractor' ... who runs that scheme OOI Tim?

Happy brand eggs ... yeah, right ...

'Humane slaughter', an oxymoron if there ever was one.

Funny how you rarely comment on any of the information I present, other than to try to poke holes in it?

Before you run away and hide again from what I believe to be the facts you seem so quick to deny, can you tell me how much of this overview isn't true:

Are newborn calves taken away from their mothers or not? Are male calves often killed soon after birth or not? Are some male calves kept in small pens to become veal or not? Are female calves given a formula to drink or not? Are adult dairy cows slaughtered after 5 years or so or not?

Now you may answer yes (and what I believe to be the case) to all questions and not think anything of it ... and that is the problem. Luckily, it's one that many are no longer considering acceptable, even if it is 'legitimate' or 'RSPCA approved'. The RSPCA would approve of a viable calf that falls out of it's mother as it's being cut open after being slaughtered, also being slaughtered but I can never see that process as being kind or benevolent (the definition of 'humane').

Just to be clear, none of the above is aimed at you personally, you only happened to be involved in some of this (alongside other disparate fields in your working life) because of coincidence. Neither have I ever even suggested that your personal interaction with animals was ever intentionally cruel, especially as might be judged by the standards of the time. However, it's how you handle the situation / POV going forward that determines you ongoing attitude and reaction to it all in the eyes of many (that you may not care about etc).

Cheers, T i m

Nothing to deny. Perhaps that's your issue here?

There is nothing to get upset about. As long as animal welfare is primarily considered and the animals humanely slaughtered.

Make your mind up!

Well it's all wrong for what?

If you were given meat for the first time, what would you *expect* it's texture to be or any food for that matter?

Part of my lack of interest in meat pre going cruelty-free was that I was very easily put off a meal by what the texture of the meat was like. By that I meant it went from ok (at best) to nearly making me heave and meaning I couldn't finish that meat on that meal (and often putting me of that meat for a long time) ... like finding a 'tube' in liver or an eye on a fish. But then the eye thing is the same for many people ... because it reminded then what they are eating isn't just meat but was part of an animal.

But yes, there are some meat replacement things that aren't 'brilliant' either but it's relatively early days for the commercial stuff to become more refined.

Most meat free minces serve very well against minced animal flesh (in say a spag bol of chili) and the Quorn chunks are fine in say a 'chicken curry' or casserole. The quorn 'fish fingers' are fine with peas and rice or potatoes of some kind or even in a sandwich with cucumber, tomato and some vegan salad cream.

Today's brunch (around 2 today) was baked beans on once slice of my homemade whole grain bread, some fried mushrooms (just a teaspoon of veg oil) with a few slices of a savoury Seitan.

Just got in (19:30) from a 5 mile dog walk and am just thinking about what to do for dinner, but I'm not starving hungry so might just have a tin of veg soup.

If I'm still peckish later might have some cheese (Applewood Vegan Smoky Cheese alternative) on Ryvita, with a bit of pickle.

Daughter has just got us a batch of Asda's vegan offerings to try so a bit more fun finding out what they are like. We haven't eaten anything we didn't like at all so far (since Jan1) and have actually enjoyed the vast majority of it (and some things we haven't enjoyed the first time round we have enjoyed when cooking it differently etc).

So it all depends on how open minded you are, or can / are allowed to be (by the rest of the family) and how much you really care for animals etc. We have found most of it pretty easy, just with a couple of things to crack (excuse the pun), like my scrambled eggs on toast (daughter has done one that she said was pretty good).

Oh, just remembered, we have some vegan Magnums in the freezer ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I guess it's all down to what you count as an "animal". Have a steak, that's one "animal". Have steak once a week for a year that's 52 "animals", despite the fact that a single one could well provide all those steaks.

Even taking into account "hidden" animal products, like eggs in cake, you'd be hard pressed to come up anwhere close to that 900 figure with any sensible measuring method.

I'm pretty sure that's not how anyone would count it.

Leather products, animal testing ... but hey, the actual number isn't really the point is it? If it was one or a thousand cows that were being killed to satisfy someone's taste buds (for a few seconds) then that's actually the point.

(See a post elsewhere for a more specific breakdown if you need such).

Cheers, T i m

So what you are *really* saying is that *you* are quite willing to repeat any old claptrap that the virtue-signalling perception-management industry known as veganism put about to further their cause, without regard to its source or any connection to actual reality.

Have you ever tried a *logical* (as opposed to the *emotional*) approach to dealing with the crap that you read? Or do you have to shed crocodile tears for the sake of those that forced you into a vegan diet?

What a pleasant post. You have come across very differently and not as an extreme fanatic.

On 23/10/2020 09:44, T i m wrote

Good grief.

Somebody give T i m a Janet and John book on food, perleeze...

Since Tim likes to be so PC, a Janet and Janet book, surely?

LOL

Not so fast!

Ooooh, you can hear those that support the gassing of pigs to be able to eat their flesh squealing like their victims now!

It's still all screwed up though:

"Together with Greenpeace, the group regretted that lawmakers accepted further restrictions on the naming of alternative products containing no dairy. Terms like ?almond milk? and ?soy yogurt? are already banned in Europe after the bloc?s top court ruled in 2017 that purely plant-based products cannot be marketed using terms such as milk, butter or cheese, which are reserved for animal products."

So, we weren't drinking 'coconut milk' years before we were drinking the excretions of another species?

"Earthling Ed

VEGGIE BURGER BAN UPDATE: This week the European Union voted against a bill that would have made it illegal to call vegan alternatives names like ?burgers? and ?sausages?.

However, they voted in favour of another piece of legislation, Bill

Whilst the passing of Bill 171 is undeniably bewildering, it is also entirely irrelevant. As much as the dairy industry may wish, consumers are not accidentally buying oat milk, or vegan cheese and yoghurts and as such, nothing is going to change. What however is more troubling, is that in the same week where the conversation has been centred around the ?veggie burger ban?, the EU has also voted against a reform to the common agricultural policy, which was meant to ensure that farmers had to implement more environmentally friendly measures in order to receive the same amount of subsidies. In essence, they have voted against the environment and in favour of animal farmers, with them signing away ?390 billion to industries who are destroying the planet?

And whilst all this is happening the EU?s multi billion euro campaign called ?Let?s talk about EU Pork? is still ongoing, which aims to encourage more millennials to start consuming pork, as the EU is worried about a consumption decrease due to concerns around animal welfare and sustainability. To put that into perspective, the EU is spending billions of euros in an attempt to oppose science and to encourage people to eat products that have, not only been proven by a vast and undeniable mountain of evidence to be bad for the planet, but that also result in pigs being mutilated, castrated, locked in concrete prisons and metal cages, and gassed to death. What an absolute disgrace."

Cheers, T i m

Ever got half way through a horse and realised you were not as hungry as you first thought?