Tim?s Beloved EU and Vegans!

Didn't they try and stop the UK from calling their chocolate 'chocolate' because it had 'too much' vegetable fat in it ?

Andrew

The people in the EU who wield the power are not elected.

Err, products like that have been on sale for donkeys years, in fact they might have even contained donkeys, who knows.

Did the milky bar ever have cocoa solids?.

Cows, or even bullocks over a certain age (36 months) cannot legally enter the UK food chain .

They might be made from deer, or beef

And we don't even know *how* they get their power. Like the fair Ursula - anyone know how she came to be the sole candidate, gping through on the nod from the toy Parliament in Brussels?

You really are thick aren't you goblin. ;-(

No, because you wouldn't be able to do either.

The reason doing either is *completely different* to slaughtering and butchering an animal is because with that you have to take an animals life, a life you don't have the right to take in the first place.

Dave's point was my point and the spirit of my very first post on the subject here, the question of the 'Meat eaters licence', a process that would force the reconnection that few have these days:

Well that's bollocks. Even the biggest eater of meat would be hard pushed to get through 2 1/2 rabbits / day, every day. Let alone 2 1/2 pigs or 2 1/2 cows... Even if you try and include dairy I doubt our consumption is more than a single cow or chicken.

I think it's highly credible.

Plus fish and other seafood, eggs (that would have been fertilised in nature)?

Sorry, I think you missed snipping the last few lines of claptrap.

Largely due to the Norman conquest, I believe.

Shouldn't you embrace that claim?

Precisely the sort of clip I would expect made by a fanatical vegan for fanatical vegans and posetd by a fanatical vegan.

A lot of people are excited at the banning of dogs:

The irony of:

There is no difference. Many jobs are taken out of choice, only some out of necessity.

As long as we have the same for soy product eaters, given their destruction of a the Amazonian rain forest, and for other plants.

It would then be a level playing field

It's absurd. I bought half a sheep once - lasted two of us all winter. I eat around about 8oz of meat per day max. Maybe another 2oz of dairy.

I think this absurdity is a clear sign of the damage being done to his brain by a vegan diet.

Umm. That was published in 1999. Lifted around 10 years later; provided the slaughterhouse met the BSE regulations.

Religious conversion seems to follow the same course. A need to convert others to support and reward your conviction.

I think Tim's source must have included caviar:-) As been said before, eggs from Hens are not viable unless a Cockerel was involved. Actually, I suppose Caviar has the same problem.

When I was very small, we used to keep chickens in a run, using the now defunct air-raid shelter as their coop. I knew where the chicken feed was kept, and I used to feed them though the wire. Although small, I knew which hens were which, and they used to come up to the wire if they thought I had some feed.

Every now and then, the licensed slaughterman who lived just up the road would come round. He would kill a couple of the chickens by wringing their necks, then breaking their jaws so they would bleed out while being hung by their tethered feet. At the right time, my parents would pluck them, clean them, dress them for the oven, cook them, and serve them as a special treat. I saw all these processes taking place.

This was a time of post-war rationing, which was stricter than it was during the war. I don't suppose people remember that at all, or that the quality of the vegetables and fruit on offer was simply dreadful, due to government policy, so a roast chicken dinner was really something to appreciate - and we did. I still like roast chicken to this day.

Why are you against the idea of cruelty and exploitation of animals Tim? Oh, scratch that, I know. ;-)

It was simply this:

So, the 'consumption of animal products' doesn't necessarily mean eating so could include anything and everything to do with animals, like leather goods or flu jabs?

But if you want a more specific / UK breakdown ...

"How many animals does the average person eat in a lifetime?

In the UK, the government?s Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) publish how many animals are slaughtered annually. Using the total number of animals killed in slaughterhouses and other data sources, in 2013 the UK population consumed:

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If you divide the above figures by the UK population of 64.1m the average UK citizen eats:

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So, anyone in the UK taking part in Veganuary who currently eats a range of meat products is likely to save around 10 animals during the month. The majority of the animals killed are chickens, fish and shell fish. This figure does not take into account the vegans and vegetarians that do not consume animals - so the average meat eater will eat more than 10 animals per month. Also, adults are more likely to eat higher proportions of animals than children.

Another way to look at the numbers is to consider how many animals meat-eaters consume during a lifetime. Currently, the average life expectancy in the UK is 80.75 years so multiply this figure by 126.4 and people, on average, eat a whopping 10,247 animals during their lifetime. This works out at roughly:

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These figures do not include the male chicks who are ground-up alive or gassed in hatcheries at birth, or the male dairy calves shot soon after birth or the 'by-catch' of sea animals caught by the fishing industry and thrown back. When you consider such staggering numbers like this, hopefully you can understand how one person going vegan can save the lives of thousands of animals.

Please note, the figures used here represent the UK only. People in other countries often consume less animals, although countries like the US eat far more!

If you would like to save the lives of countless animals then please consider trying vegan for the month of January. We hope that you?ll like it so much you?ll stay vegan afterwards and save the lives of thousands of animals.

Who says one person can?t make a difference?"

Not that you care of course ...

Which of course it would be in nature ...

I don't think they were counting that but it all misses the point.

I appreciate you and your family earned a living 'in farming' and if that involved live stock, that would have included animal exploitation, mental suffering (to varying degree) and 100%, premature death.

Now you probably lived in a era when all that was perfectly acceptable and so you learned (from an early age) to disconnect what would have been your natural desire to care for and protect animals to treating them like 'industrial stock', or just a means for you to make a living. A living built on the back of innocent creatures you must have assumed you had moral agency over and so what you were doing with / to them was perfectly acceptable (you have already tried to defend the process by using the word 'legitimate', where legal doesn't always equal moral).

Except now things are changing, more and more people are becoming aware of the suffering and exploitation that goes on in animal based industry and are voting against it with their wallets (at least).

I can get that you (of all people) might consider such people as being weird but in fact, it's the meat eaters and excretion consumers that are weird, as history *will* show.

Every time you show compassion to an animal (if you would), like taking a dog to the vet or rescuing a wild animal from being stuck in a fence you are demonstrating logical inconsistency when you then go in and eat some animal. At least in the Far East they don't have so much logical inconsistency because they will and do eat pretty well anything.

So, you will eat a baby cow, a baby sheep, baby pig or baby chicken, but you (probably?) wouldn't eat a puppy or a kitten or a pie made of bluebirds? Why not?

Cheers, T i m

p.s. You don't have to believe or listen to me re where it's all going ... pretty well *all* animal based food manufacturers, supermarkets and fast food places are now introducing and expanding their vegan food range, food that of course *everyone* can eat.

It's just a claptrap statement from the vegan perception-management and virtue-signalling industry.

Do you ever *think* about the wild claims that they feed you on?

Or is blind acceptance as a right-brainer thing?

In message snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, T i m snipped-for-privacy@spaced.me.uk> writes

Tim. Big pat on the back. You have saved one persons worth. Can the residents of a news group entirely unrelated to Veganism kindly be allowed about their business without your boringly repetitive posts? A leavening of OTs would be considerate.

Possibly Brian was simply winding you up?

If you have genuine examples of cruelty to animals in this country, they should be reported to the RSPCA for action.