That's presupposing the manufactures aren't complicit in some way.
When the Edward Snowden allegations about what can be done with smartphones came out, it seemed to me that back-doors designed in from day one were being exploited.
Apple's famous refusal to unlock an iPad could have been public posturing.
As he enters the flat, Winston hears a voice reading a list of figures about the production of pig iron. It is coming from a telescreen, which is embedded in the wall and can't be shut off, though the sound can be turned down...
HTH
Not sure why you'd need physical access to do anything other than a hardware hack?
Anyway, hopefully the wikileak will give details in time. I got the impression that hardware mods were needed from the recent media reports, and something I was told about the webcam on my iMac. In essence it's impossible to disable the 'on' light without snipping a wire (or somesuch). I'd like to think these smart TVs have a similar activity indicator. Like to think . . .
Indeed - and Stuxnet. It's quite terrifying what governments can and will do.
Any publicity etc - bet they love it.
well that would be a step too far, in my view
tim
we have that, it's called standby
why would someone need to invent a system which kept your TV "on" when it was unplugged
tim
the whole purpose of this "keeping your TV on when it's off" is to collect data which is then sent "home"
please tell me how it's going to send the data if it isn't using you LAN to do that?
but real data will be being sent
tim
The main processor and memory don't need to be powered up for the remote receiver to work, and a real time clock can wake the device up 15 minutes before the scheduled programme. OTA upgrades can be checked at
3am or so before going back to sleep, or only when the device is turned on by the user.EU regulations require that standby consume not more than 1W of mains, at least in the most economical 'green' mode.
I've never seen a TV with a mic :-)
why would it want one?
It's already going to be "off"
the dodgy code is embedded into the standby state
I didn't say it was easy. I'm saying that if you can do it, taking extra steps to lessen the chances of being detected is easy
tim
no it wouldn't
it would indicate that you are numpty who thinks that leaving things on standby is "unsafe" (FSVO)
In any case you could achieve the same result by turning your router wifi capability off - some people still do this to stop their neighbours hacking into it (no, I don't want a discussion on whether that is necessary)
there is no single IOT
tim
a TV with a firewall!!!!!
the software will be loaded onto the TV using its own OTA update capability. As I have already pointed out, it is possible to make such a process secure from hacking, but, for a TV, unlikely (perhaps they will start to implement this on future models - who knows).
Of course, if targeting a know individual, there is always the spooks tried and trusted method of installing bugs by breaking in and downloading the dodgy software onto your TV using its USB update feature
tim
that you think they might be ineffectual, doesn't mean that they don't exist
tiom
That isn't what I said.
Your brain cant it seems appear to cope with the fact that siometh8ng that keeps quiet for 10 hours, cant be detected even though it might be still there.
So? tell me how to detect that, and identify its source, on a bog standard router.
Oh dear. More massive ignorance on display.
Your domestic router is a firewall.
It is in fact trivially easy.
Most sets are linux based and this sort of distro signing is so9mething linux has alreday.
I don't think (smart) TVs actually can be updated via USB. Mine I think needs the internet. Or it is dispatched over Freeview
Master of the bait and switch eh?
He didn't say they didn't exist. He said they were ineffectual.
And, not only that, they can identify a few bits of data out of an infinite number of inputs! No wonder the intelligence derived is so complete.
If its wifi it never even needs to go to your router, it can use any wifi device that is within range and that can be one the CIA has put there so you wouldn't know.
If they are going to the trouble of hacking your TV they will probably hack the router and other stuff too.
AFAIK they haven't hacked the legal intercept bit of the BT network, but would they have to as they are the government?
Then you could fix them on the stage too.
Tell me something, dennis. Do you really think the vocal quality you get from a laptop mic would be good enough for a West End production?
But you made it sound like you'd just invented it and pros had no conception of it.
A simple stereo pair will do that.
There you go, then, dennis. Yet another opportunity for you to show them how it should be done.
Of course. How else would the remote control work?
But you claim to be an expert on just what they can and can't do?
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