Still not wanting to answer the question I see.
Go on then explain how the transmission path to two receivers will tell you where in 3D space the source is?
Don't be silly, just admit that you don't have a clue.
No its far more complicated than that.
Are you confussing him with the Andrews guy that does over priced audio stuff?
Just a moment, I never said they would be better. I just disagree with your claim that you need separate, expensive mics to spy on people. Don't try and BS your way out of this debate.
It doesn't actually matter as it wouldn't switch on in the first place as far as anyone in the room is concerned.
More likely to be the Chinese secret service using all our hacked routers.
(Not exactly hacked as they probably wrote the original firmware anyway).
I don't think the CIA's that advanced.
Owain
Why do you suppose they collect all SMS messages, to do nothing with them? Why did we have to build in ways of remotely intercepting calls on SystemX? If you are a person of interest then the cost is not really going to matter. If you are of no interest then you don't cost much.
Is that the best you can come up with now I have told you how they can avoid being seen on anyone's home network? Are you worried that you are a person of interest and that they might actually bother bugging your TV?
You are still avoiding answering anything. I think you are all BS about it.
The whole point about this fix is that it is downloaded over an OTA update and as such will be exactly the same for every TV.
if it isn't going to use the WLAN link that the TV already has set up, the spooks are going to have to put a new router next to every TV that they want to listen too.
If that have that "visibility" of the suspect there are far easier ways to bug them than spending time writing dodgy code for every type of TV that the suspect might have
As I have already said. I don't believe that you can force download an OTA update to a router
dunno what you are talking about
tim
um no
I haven't agreed with Dennis on anything in this thread
tim
What like the people that control the spies you mean?
They were easier to find until someone leaked about TVs.
Now they will just have to use other means.
There are always the old ones like lasers reflected off windows so the window acts as a mic. Oh you won't agree with that as windows are too cheap to make mics.
but it won't be keeping quite for 10 hours (at least not the 10 hours that the suspect is awake
it *will* be continually transmitting
the router will tell me that the IP address of the TV is currently "connected" even thought I know it to be turned off
tim
Careful you will upset Dave, don't mention that you can even have sound coming from the base station while its listening, as long as its an IP/ISDN/mobile phone that is. Normal phones are half duplex.
not a total re-write
just a re-write of the code that controls the mic to save and send packets to some external location and the bit that runs in standby (to do the same).
Yes it's hard, but it's not impossible and the spooks do have some successes to report when doing this sort of thing.
I contest not, others are disagreeing with me.
you are not using the core operation of the device so that code is left untouched
As I have said, I believe that they are expecting to download this using the standard OTA update process
It they were targeting know individuals there are easier ways of bugging them
But it is known about!
precisely
tim
why would I want one?
tim
and if the TV has cloned the MAC address of something else for the spy connection what will the router show then?
Do you examine the NAT table to see what's connected to where? Can your router display the NAT table?
What if they put a mobile hotspot (cheap phone) in next doors garden and connect to that rather than your network? Does your smart tv have wifi?
the dodgy software is not arriving that way
only the outgoing data uses that
(I have no idea if firewalls protect you from where you send data)
tim
Depends on whether you are a "person of interest". Remember, they can already track and bug people under a suitable warrent, I used to know a police officer who did this. But it is fairly resource intensive.
No point in even explaining to you that there are different qualities of nearly everything. If you don't already know this. You probably think the speakers in your laptop perfection too.
But I'm sure if you really want to find out about different types of microphones and their uses, somone could explain how to use Google.
Please quote me saying that. That wil be very very interesting.
Good grief. You are the one saying it would be simple to snoop on what people are saying in a noisy room with the microphone in the same place as that noise source.
Because it is already needed - as part of the normal transmission system?
Something which cost pretty well zero.
Ah. So you only do this with 'persons of interest'. If you already know they are of interest, no earthly point in attempting to snoop on everyone else?
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