OT: The CoOp leading the way?

It's like some of these people have never heard of 'baking' eh.

You know, 'a baked potato' (even with the clue in the name).

That probably means they have never been wild camping either ... probably frightened the animals will get *them* (ironic or what).

Cheers, T i m

Ah yes a potato, one of those things that humans can't digest unless cooked - surely that must tell you something? ((c) T i m)

How can artist be ahead of his time, art shouldn't be time limited like a sack of spuds.

Makes me wonder why ketchup wasn't invented milleniums before it was ;-)

I remmeber when my french flatmate cook me a stealk for the first time. She placed it in the pan then almost immediately took it out again claiming it was cooked. I bet a vet would have brought it back to life. I put mine back in the pan and she'd eaten hers by the time mine was nice and brown and crispy around the edges :)

That can be an advantage I like linda mccartney mozzarella burgers but not the other ones. I don't like the fat on bacon and was always picking it off. But I like the plant bacon sainsburys have tastes enough like bacon and I don't have to spend most of the time cutting the fat off because there isn't any. I like the pukka vegan pies more than some of the real meat ones.

Yes and it's unlikely to work.

Makes me wonder why he even cooks anyhting humans were never meant to cook stuff or wear clothes. I guess some of us have evolved, not all directions of evolutioin were successful the most successful I think were based on exploiting others. We can and should now try to reverse this but it will take 1000s of years and I'm betting we'll destroy the planet before we get aback to not wearing clothes and munching orn raw veg.

Maybe T i ms ancestors never evolved , perhaps that's why he has no use for the left hand side of his brain. There is a reason why most of us have the teeth we have and why we can't easily digest grass and uncooked 'food' like we once could. Those 2 stomachs some seem to have are mostly caused by beer.

I have evolved further I like to eat what I like the taste and texture of I don't like animal cruelty, I don't believe man/women can live on raw veg alone. Cooking does cause global warming maybe not much but lighting fires is unnatural animals don't do it, but they do kill other animals for food.

I no longer curse neighbours for not triiming/cutting back their front garden hedge as I risk life and limb walking past them at night while tipsy and they jump out at me. As I now appreciate the sparrows making their home in them. But I do wonder what sparrows might taste like. ;-) Don't know why T i m refused to say Y or N in the EU referedum or what his NOTA was meant to show.

Surely he is against taxpayers vegan, veggie and even meat eaters all having their taxes pay for other to have cheap milk and dairy products. Also foie gras, bull fighting all fully supported by the EU taxpayers money.

For me soya or soy not sure which or if they are the same is far too oily for anything. I'd rather use WD40 ;-)

Oat milk for Tea or coffee is fine for me although I still use cows milk a few times a week just in case there's something I'm missing vitamin wise. My ancestors were brought up drinking it for as long as they were brought up to wear shoes and clothes.

Need to find soemthing to use for making coctails such as grasshopper and velevet hammer which use types of cream have some cashew nut 'oil' and almond to try . soya oil coaguladed when I tied it

Most liguors I've tried.

I hope so although transporting all the soya from china by boat might be causing whales problems.

and as for almond milk, seems there's always some problem to overcome.

I haven;t been able to tell the differnce between aldis at 79p and the local shops grey baritistor(SP) at £2.49 so well please I can;t tell the differnce

I found it fine, just don;t use too much I use slightly less (colourwise) than I would with milk.

White & normal ! racist homophob ;-)

it certainly keeps longer (unopened) than cows milk which is also handy. Don;t need to keep it in the fridge until opened.

Yes, that you must have a pretty poor understanding of what foods we can eat without cooking (other than meat of course) and how we could possibly have survived before we learned how cooking released the energy easier in some stuff and made meat and other things safe / digestible. ;-)

But (of course) it's not all about our selfish needs is it (well it shouldn't be to any 'highly evolved' species). It's specifically about the animals and how we cause them unnecessary (in 2021) pain and suffering though our exploitation (now getting even greater rights under the new AWA), then the environment, the resources, the antibiotic resistance and the sustainability of it all yada yada.

It's not vegans who are pushing hard towards the plant based foods, it's the scientists, those who have access to the data, a good understanding of the bigger picture and how it really doesn't make sense (in 2021) to be breeding, feeding, maintaining, transporting, processing and dealing with the waste of more livestock on this planet than people!

Now, from the pov of those who don't want to inflict unnecessary cruelty, exploitation and death on animals know that nothing changes overnight but some of this can so easily be fixed by us individually simply by not eating and using animals as we do now. We aim for a 100% reduction and can then be happy we are going in that direction when it's less. Aim for some arbitrary reduction and we would likely never get there.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. I just dived in Iceland on the way back from dropping some 3D printing off and dog walk and it was like xmyth <g>. Loads of additional things to try and it looks like it's going to be a curry tonight. ;-)

Until South America was 'discovered' europeans didn't have potatoes or (presumbly) tomatoes or tobacco.

scientists who think that they can create a company that they can float on the stock market and earn themselves billions

Cite?

The classic UK meal was supposed to consist of 'meat and TWO veg'. The only people earning out of that were the suppliers of the meat and the suppliers of the veg. When (and note it is when, not if) we move to a more plant based diet, we will just be eating more veg, even if sometimes it's been turned into something that doesn't look and taste like veg, just like many ('non vegan') meals that take a mixture of ingredients and make it look and taste of something 'different' today. There is no obligation to eat any foods that are made from veg that happen to look like a sausage or burger to prevent the suffering and death of animals.

Why are people like you *so* desperate to defend your archaic lifestyle choice by desperately rolling out all sorts of strawmen?

'Livestock farming' *does* cause animals to suffer and die unnecessarily (perhaps you don't care about that, as long as you are happy)?

'Livestock farming' *is* causing habitat destruction around the world (perhaps you don't care about that, as long as you are happy)?

'Livestock farming' *is* causing antibiotic resistance in humans (perhaps you don't care about that, as long as you are happy)?

'Livestock farming' *is* linked with zoonotic diseases and the transmission of viruses to humans (perhaps you don't care about that, as long as you are happy)?

'Livestock farming' *does* generate large quantities of greenhouse gasses (perhaps you don't care about that, as long as you are happy)?

'Livestock farming' *does* generate tonnes of waste pollution (perhaps you don't care about that, as long as you are happy)?

'Livestock farming' creates the need to feed *more* creatures than there are people on the planet (perhaps you don't care about that, as long as you are happy)?

'Livestock farming' *does* cause mental stress in many of the workers in the 'meat processing' chain (perhaps you don't care about that, as long as you are happy)?

So, there seems to be a fairly common thread though all that, anything is ok as long as you don't have to suffer ... except whilst you might not (you are old), any family you leave behind *will*, if we carry on with this same self destructive process. Luckily we are now realising we can't and so plans *are* being rolled out to change things.

The problem (for all living creatures) could be that it's too little, too late.

Cheers, T i m

I suspect that under the AWA a few dog-owners might get a shock, such as having to feed their pets properly.

Do you know what the carbon footprint of a dog is?

Two big triggers for arthritis pain. Shoulda left them in S America...

Not scientists; food manufacturers.

Who eats meat and two veg these days?

And there is quite limited 'added value' you can do to meat, even by mincing it and making it into a burger.

But by taking some minced vegetable matter, which costs pennies in raw material, and making it into a plant-based fakeburger they can charge as much as a meat burger (or even more) and have a significantly greater profit margin.

And as plant-based fakeburgers are harder or impossible to make at home and people have only ever tasted the factory ones, people are getting locked into branded and proprietary food forms. Like kids who will not just only eat chicken nuggets but will only eat Birds Eye or McDonalds chicken nuggets.

Like Linda McCartney sausages which are only available from Linda McCartney, or anything made with Quorn which is only made with Quorn.

Or almost anything made of Monsanto genetically-modified soya.

Owain

I wouldn't inflict the neighbour's children on any dog.

Owain

But what about on a pig?

I saw the dog putting the pig in its place in what could be called a playful way. We might call it instinctive play fighting. I guess you like to see something different.

I might even agree with you. Most ethical vegans wouldn't keep pets out of principle, there is also the question of feeding pets meat products too.

It seems fanatical vegans don't have the same scruples.