OT: The CoOp leading the way?

I would assume a minimal amount of manual sorting would get rid of most. Or have you not thought of this?

You said how many? Please do show us where.

because it pushes up the price of these food items at the shops

Now that may not be an immediate threat to me, but it makes the population more accepting of this higher price point for individual processed meals meaning that manufactures can artificially increase prices of other processed meals. -

Or worse, encourage Governments to add a "non veggie" sin-tax to other food groups on the bogus reasoning that they complete "unfairly" with more sustainable veggie products.

see above

they had to introduce a "law" at the Oktoberfest, prohibiting the sale of soft drinks at prices in excess of the beer prices.

Personally I would have said no more than half the price was appropriate

My local smaller Sainsburys regularly sells of 'ethnic', vegan and gluten-free items sold off for a fraction of the normal price.

They moved in with us and turned into pugs, great danes, labradors, huskies, sausage dogs, .. and alsations. From then on all they needed to do was take part in the hunt, and got free food, warmth and bones in return.

If by North Norfolk you mean places like Blakeney? then that has been Chelsea-by-sea for ages, so I'm surprised there isn't a Fortnums and a whole range woke 'food' shops.

That's the case in Worthing in the areas more than 1/2 a mile from the town centre where M&S, Iceland, Lidl and Waitrose are the main shops.

Despite being on opposite sides of the road, the Waitrose is busy and you can buy a small basket of items and use the self-serve tills or the basket-only tills and never have more than a handful of people in front of you.

Meanwhile, over the road in Lidl, getting out is typically a 15 minute wait with a queue of 20 people ahead of you. Sod that.

Because the market for them is obviously still growing and so it's quite easy to overstock, or end up with overpriced stock if someone else is running a promotion.

I've only generally see non vegan stuff (along with std fruit and veg etc which has been vegan for ever) in any reduced section (to my dismay) but have seen huge lumps of meat and packs of fish.

Daughter is currently doing all our shopping (Covid) and likes and knows we like a bargain and it's very rare that any of our shopping contains anything that has been marked down (or she's keeping it herself). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Not all of them didn't, so where did all those that didn't become domesticated go (I know the answer to that of course).

Sure .. and why domesticated dogs (who are capable of living long and healthy lives on a balanced vegan diet) will be one of the last of all the exploited animal species to go. ;-)

Because they have been fed from our scraps for years they have developed to ability to digest carbs, unlike the wolf.

The (non native) cat is an obligate carnivore so must have meat to survive and already has a negative impact on the native wildlife in many countries, wildlife already under threat of habitat loss because (in many cases) of livestock farming (so will be higher up the list). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

We used to make the trip to the various 'Roy's' shops in Wroxham (or Roystown as we called it) when holidaying up that way.

Cheers, T i m

I'd suggest you look at their website. ;-)

I was wondering if they have actually made vegan meat taste of meat and not cardboard yet. Brian

Strange that.

When we first discovered cooking meat to make it edible, why didn't we think "now how can we make this roast suckling pig taste just like the delicious boiled cabbage we've been eating for the last then thousand years?"

Owain

Only initially possibly, till they can reach sufficient market penetration for quantity of scale can kick in.

Look how much pushback you see just asking people to consider milk alternatives.

Well, that's a commercial ... not food shape thing.

It would only be an issue if it were bogus.

Cheers, T i m

It would be if it wasn't bollox (but it is). ;-(

Ah, another history strawman ...

Cheers, T i m

Yes ... but what's the need to only eat things that taste like burnt animal flesh ... oh yes, the dopamine you are now addicted to! ;-(

If you like a burger, treat yourself to something like a 'No Bull Burger' and add what you normally add to a burger (we add fried onion, melted scheese, mushroom, relish etc) and tell me if that doesn't give you the same sort of pleasure you would get from the same range of things in a meat burger.

Cheers, T i m

Most of us don't burn meat. Perhaps that's where you're going wrong?

I haven't tried that specific make, but substitute meat rarely has the same texture or taste of meat.

Quorn chunks come pretty close

Quite, and this simply typifies this blinkered / backward attitude about what we eat.

It's like the British going to Spain and only wanting to eat fish and chips, because that's all they are used to, or the old folk who wouldn't even try a curry, lasagne or spag bol because it's 'all foreign muck', compared with the meat and two veg they have every day ... of their sad and unadventurous / closed minded lives.

If you happen to be born into an environment (parents / culture / circumstances) or culture / religion where you don't drink milk after you wean (as nature intended), offer them some milk and they would think you were weird.

'Sorry, I'm a big boy now and don't particularly want the growth fluid meant for a baby, and especially one from a completely different species'!

Now, if you didn't want to eat your cereal dry or tea / coffle black and didn't like them with just water or orange juice, the chances are you would like them with any one of the white liquids they make from plants.

Like industrial Oat milk. Take oats and water, blend, sieve, use.

Industrial Cows milk (the milk from a cow, for a cow, not the output of a machine or chemical process, like spirits, tea or cola).

Artificially extract s**en from bull, often by using an anal electro stimulator. Take stolen s**en and after putting your whole arm up a cows rectum to manipulate her cervix, inject bull s**en in her. Wait while cow carries calf to birth.

Once born, if it's male: a) Take calf and shoot him in the head then cut his throat. b) Keep him in small pen for a few months then shoot him in the head and cut his throat. Chop into bits and sell the flesh to humans who can't consume it as it is. (Any supplied to carnivores can be eaten as it is).

If she's female, either shoot her in the head or keep her to enslave her like her mother for 7 years before shooting her in the head and cutting her throat.

For the mother cow in the meantime, you make her make and carry (by many years of exploitation) 10x more milk than she would naturally, until she's no longer able to produce sufficient milk (no longer financially viable as a milk producing machine) then shoot her in the head and cut her throat.