Perhaps the high cost of vegan foods comes from the extra processing needed, with the consequent extra burden on the environment and its effect on climate change, in order to make them look like, taste like, smell like, and cook like the very things they are substituting for, because vegans miss their meat.
Winchester Road's a traffic nightmare.
Hocombe Road is the posh end.
Every Aldi, according to the website, this week.
I wonder when we'll* stop obsessing about price and think about wider costs like animal welfare, sustainable farming and working conditions? Barely a mention in this thread - just money.
I thought it was a little dear, though.
No kidding, I doe agree with you
Owain
Glad to see you're game.
Ok.
'Animal friendly', killing it? It's just that I'm sure it would rather be doing what they do than laying in pieces on your plate?
And what when we take that further and more intensively farm them like we do with cows, pigs, sheep and chickens?
Tinned stuff is always good because it lasts so long. We might have a tin of mixed fruits with a vegan yogurt as a pud, if we don't have fresh (and we generally have bananas, tangerines and apples).
;-)
I asked a Labrador owner if it was ok to give his dog a treat with ours (sociability training) and would his dog take it (some owners say their dog won't take treats from others or are fussy about the treat etc)?
His answer, 'it's a Labrador ...' (so at least an answer to one of the questions). ;-)
Cheers, T i m
Only Muntjac deer :)
A bit on one of the early morning farming programs today said that with much of hospitality closed they (or at least one large supplier) doesn't currently have much of a market for venison at the moment and they have been channelling a lot of meat in the form of mince to various charities.
It's supporting everyone if it's to do with the environment?
Noted.
Of course.
It will be, as demand further increases and as subsidies on the animal based stuff is removed.
It's not a fad, it's a lifestyle choice for people who don't want to contribute cruelty and exploitation of animals and has been growing in popularity for years. Many million people have been doing this for thousands of years of course, but just not under the name 'vegan' (which was invented to differentiate them from vegetarians).
Not if they don't want to become a purely 'vegan supplier' as many places now are.
Depends on what food you are talking about? They aren't paying more for the things that non vegans regularly buy, like fruit and veg?
No, and nor do we, but some places make it easier for those who only want to buy vegan products to group them together so they don't have to traipse around all the animal carcasses to get their burgers.
Personally, I don't mind if they are just in with similar things because that way others might see them when they might not realise that 'vegan food' is for everyone ... '(or just 'food without unnecessary animal cruelty' as we call it.) ;-)
Cheers, T i m
Good point Rob and I think one answer will be where there is a critical mass of vegans to make others realise it's more 'normal' (for an evolved human in 2021) to not treat animals the way some currently do. (Aligning their actions with their morals).
Again, something that will / is changing as the popularity for a vegan lifestyle increases and quantity of scale and competition forces the prices down, that along with making the meat / dairy / egg farmers pay the real cost of their 'output' and removing any subsidies for any food stuffs that aren't sustainable (like meat, dairy and eggs).
As mentioned elsewhere, how can a box of blueberries be more expensive than a chunk of beef?
Start charging any industry for the cost of it's pollution or fining it for polluting (that impacts all of us) are sometimes the only way you can get these industries to change, and they either change or go bust (demonstrating that they weren't really viable in the first place, when the true costs are considered).
As we remove livestock from areas that are just feeding livestock (directly or indirectly) we can grow human consumable produce on much of it and it's suggested that if we were only to use those areas that is easily viable, there would still be more than enough area to grow more food than we need.
I was thinking about eggs and how we think that it's ok to keep taking the eggs away from them (any bird) and that's 'ok'.
eg, In nature a bird would lay a clutch of eggs (say 1 to 5 typically) then stop, incubate them, see them fledge and eventually 'leave the nest' and wouldn't keep doing that all year round, just in the 'breeding season'?
Why do we disassociate chickens from these same birds and so think it's ok to keep taking the eggs away, forcing them to carry on creating eggs (in an unnatural quantity) until they are exhausted and killed, simply because they are no longer productive at that industrial level?
Cheers, T i m
Yup
processing veggies to look like, taste like, etc meat is just daft
it should be banned IMHO
I see a common theme. The Labrador would hanker after food its loved one would say they couldn't have.
Or even Halal meat.
I think vegans are willing to pay more, so shops can charge more. Being a low volume produce doesn't help.
It could live starving in a hedge somewhere, which is what happens when deer aren't managed.
Not sure that will ever be possible.
A lot of venison sold in the UK is farmed in New Zealand. I'd rather see and support UK production.
Owain
Not as expensive as the students union appear to be. But I'll have to recheck when they are open again.
So for me it's lunch from the coop meal deals which I prefer to the sainsbury version which is also a bit further to walk.
Currently (1pm) there was a queue to get into the pub.
There's a german kebab place that always seems to have a few delivery people waiting outside to take ordres to the lazy.
Don't be so pessimistic.
Your 'holier than thou' approach to your campaign might be more convincing if, like me, you had stopped eating beef and lamb some 40 years ago instead of just a few months.. You have a long way to go to make up for your inaction.
The flaw in your argument us that, in order to get vegetables to look like, smell like, and taste like meat (for some strange reason?), they need extra environment-polluting processing and probably extra storage. So perhaps there is less benefit to the environment than your posts suggests.
I've always found the coop to be more expensive because they claim to be more ethical whether that is true or not I don;t know. Butn I'll use whatever is more convient for me at the time and don't mind paying a bit more. But I can get 4 bottles of spitfire in aldi for the same price as 3 bottles at the coop.
well most of the flats/houses in mile end road are quite expensive it seems £450k + for a small 2 bed flat Even the students pay around £130 per week for a 1 bed flat.
waitrose a bit far from me too, well a few hundred metres that is.
It's also depends on whether it is truelly the same product. Aldi to there version of feta and red pepper rolls ~50p cheaper and they are tasteless. Comparted to the sainsburys ones from a differnt producer.
My meal deal today was a vegan' chicken tiki sandwich whch was OK but the white bread a bit bland , why can't they use the same bread as they do in their chicken salad sarines. Also wish their cheese sandwiches were better value , don;t seem to contain much cheese for the money.
reminds me of a Dr. who episode set in WWII
Oh and as for vegan products it;s not always as vegan and some might thing
Did you see this about olive oil which is vegan in the eyes of most, well best not to put it in your eyes but you know what I mean. :-)
But sticking a label on something saying vegan or organic often doesn't mean those products are any better for animal welfare or sustainable farming, or for climate change with all the food miles they travel.
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