This I have a considerable amount of experience of. Things were not
good before we entered the EU. The Japanese were "doing deals" with
us, and decimating our electronics industry. Probably deserved
actually as reliability wasn't a great priority then.
We were screwed by them though, and of course De Lorean too.
Everyone was on the bandwaggon, getting huge subsidies to manufacture
in the UK, then close shop if things got a bit rough back home.
Historically we are a trading nation because of our geographical
location. When we become a second choice to supply Europe with goods,
it's a customer base that I don't ever think we will replace.
The little supply problems and stumbling from crisis to crisis was the
I remember a colleague growing vegetables in his semi because of food
increases. He wasn't in a bad job, salaried, company car, yet still
felt the pinch.
We have screwed our childrens chances. They had the ability to travel
freely anywhere in the EU, to live and work as equals. You want to
restrict them to this island and without natural rescources and a
complete lack of investment in meaningful education, we are not on a
good footing to compete with anyone.
All we can do is work cheap and cut any rules that prevent turning a
As I said, EU regulations would have stopped the banks gambling with
cash they had not got, but I can guarantee that before the crisis that
would have been an instant veto from the UK.
Assuming Farage was paying attention and not in the pub of course :-)
Try Wikipedia, it outlines a lot of little gems about current MP's
Private Eye isn't a bad source too, it may look like a comic book, but
its "celebrities" give it a lot of creedence.
Do you think they should have gone bankrupt and the official receiver
should have demanded the immediate repayment of the debt.
It would certainly have reduce house prices at auction for all those
<snip> >>> No Brexiter has said it will benefit the UK in the short term, it could
And your understanding of English is heavily flawed.
If the best *your* crystal ball can manage is 'could' then at best
it's very very cloudy, so cloudy as to be of no real use whatsoever in
And that's the point ... you fanatic Brexiterrs use the word 'could'
as if it means 'will' (and should possibly be 'might' in that case)
and without a seconds hesitation as to the potential costs (to
everyone) of your reckless gamble (with all our monies).
But then that's the problem with fanaticism, it removes a persons
ability to think rationally, to continue to re-think the situation as
the picture unfolds and consider the bigger picture. ;-(
Most ordinary people, given the whole Brexit situation and asked to
vote on something where the final plans had not been ratified ...
would consider it ridiculous.
I didn't vote because I couldn't vote because I wasn't a political
activist, didn't have any gripes with the EU and therefore needed to
see what the deal was before being asked for a vote (or final vote) on
I would imagine every non-fanatic (from either side) would like the
Given the facts, I might well vote and vote to leave.
We haven't left yet and so there is still chance for democracy to
prevail (which is all I care about), not just allowing 1/3 of the
electorate decide the future for everyone.
Cheers, T i m
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? Even as
House prices are high due to high demand.
These immigrants are all living somewhere.
We are told the population would be falling if it wasn't for immigration.
Ergo reduced/nil immigration = reduced house prices.
Project fear is a lie made up by brexiteers.
The predictions may well come true by the time we leave.
Even the so called rise in shares the brexiteers claim was because we
are leaving has evaporated now.
You don't see any of them saying sorry but we were wrong about that.
The BoE has said it will be increasing the rate soon too so that will
cost mortgage payers more and put the pound up.
No. It's tough for you because you *decided* (along with the other
1/3rd of the electorate) that leaving the EU would be a 'good idea' so
*you* (in any good society) would be obliged to fall on your sword.
Ok, these days replace 'fall on your sword' with 'making it up to the
2/3rds who *didn't* vote to leave'.
No we aren't. The Brexiteers will simply be getting what they wanted
(as I'm guessing *whatever they get* is all part of their bigger plan)
and the rest of us have to put up with it, even though it wasn't our
choice. And before you get further confused by such logic, the exact
same would / will apply if Remain had one and it was later shown that
Leaving was the best thing to do. However, all the evidence that has
appeared so far suggests Leaving is not even likely to be a good thing
Sorry mate, again you seem to be confused. This is a 'discussion
group', the subject was clearly marked OT and if you don't like,
understand or agree with any of it you are welcome to jog on. ;-)
By a minority and until it's actually actioned, *nothing* has happened
(apart from it costing us a fortune). 
Careful what you wish for as you (and your kind) might end up finding
out what a persecuted minority feels like. ;-(
You may have to sit out on your allotment 24/7 ...
But hey, you are confident you have done the right thing for all of us
so why are you even interested in any conversation on the subject? You
won, get over it.
Cheers, T i m
 And although nothing is actually happened, it is already 'costing
us', even ignoring the administration costs and is guaranteed to do so
for many years to come, even just because of the Anglicising of all
the EU laws.
Where did I say it was? However, it is *discussing* it and that can
often be the start.
Quite possibly. Luckily I'm not part of a persecuted minority so I
"the courage to do what one believes is right"
Which in this case translates into 'I think my guesses are better than
the other ~50% of the voters of those who also guessed?'
You might be able to vote on your 'beliefs', I'd prefer facts.
Of course you would say that, classic left brainer response.
There you are, you didn't have to wait that long did you. ;-)
Except that isn't the case for anyone is it.
You don't live in the UK then?
Ok, you *say* you have or will be enjoying 'lower taxes'. If it's a
fact, please tell us why (without bringing 'beliefs' into it)?
Cheers, T i m
In other words you don't care if the standard of living suffers after
Brexit. 'Sovereignty' must be very important to you.
If everyone in the country knew for certain before the referendum they'd
be worse off after Brexit, just how many would have voted out?
*Aim Low, Reach Your Goals, Avoid Disappointment *
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