With a decent EU army, we could reduce our own forces. So could be cost neutral - or even a saving. Unless you think the UK armed forces somehow vastly more efficient than others.
And no point in wasting billions on an independant nuclear deterrent.
what would a decent army do ?
I do, certainly more than the USA. Imagine that we did have an EU army how many years would it take the 27/8 countires to all agree on exactly what to do in any situation ?
Trouble with that is yuo don;t know whether or not it is a deterrnat do you. I'ts like wearing a seat belt mostly a waste of time and money.
s/litter/fruit and veg/
Good idea! Win Win!
We get the fruit picked and they have to see fewer immigrants (not that they would from their ivory/////fantasy towers). ;-)
Cheers, T i m
No. It's tough for you because you *decided* (along with the other
1/3rd of the electorate) that leaving the EU would be a 'good idea' so *you* (in any good society) would be obliged to fall on your sword.Ok, these days replace 'fall on your sword' with 'making it up to the
2/3rds who *didn't* vote to leave'.
No we aren't. The Brexiteers will simply be getting what they wanted (as I'm guessing *whatever they get* is all part of their bigger plan) and the rest of us have to put up with it, even though it wasn't our choice. And before you get further confused by such logic, the exact same would / will apply if Remain had one and it was later shown that Leaving was the best thing to do. However, all the evidence that has appeared so far suggests Leaving is not even likely to be a good thing for us.
Sorry mate, again you seem to be confused. This is a 'discussion group', the subject was clearly marked OT and if you don't like, understand or agree with any of it you are welcome to jog on. ;-)
By a minority and until it's actually actioned, *nothing* has happened (apart from it costing us a fortune). [1]
Careful what you wish for as you (and your kind) might end up finding out what a persecuted minority feels like. ;-(
You may have to sit out on your allotment 24/7 ...
But hey, you are confident you have done the right thing for all of us so why are you even interested in any conversation on the subject? You won, get over it.
Cheers, T i m
[1] And although nothing is actually happened, it is already 'costing us', even ignoring the administration costs and is guaranteed to do so for many years to come, even just because of the Anglicising of all the EU laws.
In other words you don't care if the standard of living suffers after Brexit. 'Sovereignty' must be very important to you.
If everyone in the country knew for certain before the referendum they'd be worse off after Brexit, just how many would have voted out?
So it seems ... even if they can't actually cite a single example of anything that has actually impacted them personally?
Outside of the fanatic Kamikaze Brexiteers, few.
Cheers, T i m
Project fear is a lie made up by brexiteers. The predictions may well come true by the time we leave. Even the so called rise in shares the brexiteers claim was because we are leaving has evaporated now. You don't see any of them saying sorry but we were wrong about that.
The BoE has said it will be increasing the rate soon too so that will cost mortgage payers more and put the pound up.
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That won't be for much longer when the rate doubles.
Why did they vote to leave?
A decision was not made. The public (soem of them) participated in what they (and MPs) were told was an advisory referendum.
Do you think they should have gone bankrupt and the official receiver should have demanded the immediate repayment of the debt. It would certainly have reduce house prices at auction for all those kicked out.
Oh. So you are leaving the boat. Great news.
Take that and apply to self.
That is what passes for democracy. Get over it.
I already know what it's like.
Don't have one of those.
I cast my vote. You were too stupid to cast yours.
And?
The standard of living will do what was always intended. There is a reason that the average African/American/Japanese inhabitant has a different standard of living to ours.
And you know for certain that it will be worse? Why then, are you not a billionaire?
No, we were told the exact opposite, that the government would consider themselves bound by it and honor the result.
Well if you were told that by a remainer, they lied to you as usual.
That isn't the exact opposite. The exact opposite, which would be to make it binding on Parliament was not even attempted.
Good grief. Economics are pre-ordained.
What?
You were the one complaining about discussion.
Quite.
Or campaign to improve it.
Good. In that case you should be ready for it.
Of course ... you are a Brexiteer ... as long as you are ok ...
Yes, we know.
You are too stupid to understand why I didn't and too low an EQ to care why you don't.
Then it's already costing us loads (£1M/day I read), money that could be going to the NHS instead ...
Cheers, T i m
How many would have vioted to remain if they were told their off-spring would never be able to afford to buy their own home unless they were MP, MEPs or earn't twice the average wage. ?
It certainly is out of the control of mere citizens.
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