British Workers Wanted - Channel 4

Unemployment benefit is a small fortune of free money if you have few expenses and a pittance if you have a family to support.

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Yellow
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But back then the GEC/Marconi way was to de-skill the graduates first by giving them completely menial tasks and then at the end of the second year re-train then in the inefficient corporate ways.

These days you may find that with certain ways of recruitment to weed out the dross before employment, sponsored formal training and giving work experience in holiday periods before full time employment gets you well motivated graduates that give productive output in a very short time. Long gone are the days when an engineering graduate will have (or want) the same job for life or even possibly stay with their first company for more than a couple of years.

Even with more highly paid skilled jobs poor management will give you an inefficient work force.

When I worked for GEC in the early 1990s failed engineers became managers who were then promoted to a level of incompetence.

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alan_m

+1 And most of my friends at the time were doing the same.
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alan_m

I don't have any other union experience to compare it to, so I don't know. In the end, I saved myself a few quid, and cancelled my membership. A few people fell out with me, but no-one I cared about. The meetings were pretty scary anyway - a few loudmouths dominating the proceedings, and (since it was pre-secret ballot days) the voting. That may explain the shortsightedness - sheer envy by a few hotheads?

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Dan S. MacAbre

Sorry, Dave, didn't realise it was you talking. Thought for a moment that I was hearing JC on the doorstep of his £1 million+ doorstep (paid for, in part, by fees from an official Iranian TV channel) ... or was it Emily Thornberry in front of her multi-million pound house? Probably not her - she is, at least, smart enough to never be caught by the media in front of her house.

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JoeJoe

I don't have a TV licence, so I will have to forego the pleasure, I'm afraid.

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Dan S. MacAbre

+1
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JoeJoe

As did I, but these days they expect and get everything now.

I think Corbyn and Co and their fairy money stories got the snowflakes all frothing around the mouth and believing his tales.

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JoeJoe

They know how to play the system - at that stage they are already on the sick.

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JoeJoe

Oh is it under 20. I thought it was 18.

(that means the 19 YO on this program ought to have been "caught" but there was no suggestion that he wasn't paid the standard 7.50 NMW.)

apprenticeships schemes have to be registered in order to make sure that they provide the necessary certificated training. Just training you how to use a specialist piece of equipment doesn't count.

If anything the rules for this are too lax, don't make them easier than they are, there's enough abuse already.

Smaller firms just get the owner to do it

I know of many that do

It's easy to filter out the time wasters. - Invariably they just don't turn up for the interview :-) (as we saw with the agency interview)

I don't believe that it's the chore that you make it out to be, if you start with the expectations that you are hiring a permanent employee and not just a different casual each week.

The jobs in question seemed to be week after week after week

You can sack some up to a year with no costs involved (other than a weeks notice), so I don't buy that explanation

tim

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tim...

Thank goodness for those immigrants who are willing to do the job for a normal rate.

And work harder at it then Johnny Englander ever would.

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pamela

Get a job! :) Just kidding.

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pamela

yes we all know that

but in reality, if a person turns out to be useless in their first week, what is the chance of that

It's not entirely cost free

getting a reputation for taking your employer to court on a frivolous charge makes you "unemployable"

tim

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tim...

Sounds like joining a religious cult! Your old values are wiped out and then new ones installed.

Companies have partly brought that upon themselves by mass firings of loyal workers who, rightly or worngly can no longer rely onthe company rtaining them through thick and thin.

I've seen that too many times: promote someone out of the way so they don't mess things up any more.

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pamela

I have a job, which I like very much :-) Computer programming, which isn't like real work at all; and short hours so I can pick the lad up from school. Perfect, really.

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Dan S. MacAbre

Average for unskilled/low skilled work? Er.... No.

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Yellow

Being disabled with a minor condition can be a key to the benefits system. So can having lots of kids. Also, being retired is now more comfy than it used to be.

Some of the most over-generous situations seem to be getting ironed out but unfortunately, when it's done wrongly, truly deserving cases get squeezed too.

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pamela

as I said to the other poster

I don't think that the comparisons with apprenticeships is valid as apprenticeships are meant to give you training (and a certificate) in a trade

And historically providing apprenticeships isn't just a cost on the company as where there is a training levy imposed by HMG (as there used to be) offering apprenticeships gets you credits against that levy.

But here we were just taking about getting you up to speed when using simple equipment. Something that would take 1-4 weeks of a learning curve, but the guy given the job was expect to be up to speed in 2 days with no support.

tim

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tim...

Blackpool? Black-pool? That's pure luxury. We took out holidays in a paper bag, if we were lucky. Etc. :)

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pamela

Computer programming sounds like a breeze.

Not like real work and short hours. Great!

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pamela

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