He who is nospam said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 15:06:16 -0500:
Did I get the 5X price comparison correct? Is my hardware comparison correct?
If so, with respect only to the hardware, would you consider the two phones to be essentially equivalent?
Why or why not?
He who is Bob said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:23:56 -0500:
Thanks for that advice to ensure that the KRACK attack is patched. I do keep abreast of security vulnerabilities in both Android & in iOS.
In fact, I'm the guy that broke the news of that KRACK attack on both the iOS and Android newsgroups - so I'm well aware of the vulnerability.
If it were an iOS phone, I'd have to ensure it doesn't have the secret permanent and drastic CPU slowdown "feature" also - which is another vulnerability I was the first to post on the iOS newsgroups.
So I'm up to speed on the software vulnerabilities - but the topic of this thread is whether I got the hardware comparisons correct.
Is my hardware comparison correct?
If so, with respect only to hardware, would you consider the two phones to be essentially equivalent? Why or why not?
no.
not even remotely close to equivalent.
any idiot can see a $130 device is not equivalent to a $600 device.
you're also ignoring that iphones start at $350, not $600.
He who is nospam said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:59:34 -0500:
This is off topic.
We all know that the world loves Apple products.
In fact, I authored a thread in which you responded specifically outlining all the reasons we all love Apple products in different ways.
Why is the iPhone/iPad one of the most successful mobile device platforms in the market?
Here is the opening post I made to that thread... "What are the main reasons millions of people, including some of my own relatives, *love* the Apple iOS platform?"
So it's off topic for you to harp on your "apple haters" tirade.
All we want to know here is whether the cold hard facts are correct, and if they're not, what are the cold hard facts about the hardware comparison between the $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus and the equivalent $670 iPhone 7 Plus.
He who is micky said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 14:03:03 -0500:
Thanks for being the first person to hazard a guess, as I know it's risky to state an opinion based on facts on the Usenet.
The main question is which is a better phone - from the hardware standpoint only.
That's really the question - where the advantage of the iOS device is in a faster CPU speed for half the cores (the same CPU speed for the other half of it's cores) and the iPhone 7 has an extra GB of RAM.
Both of those are nice.
But on many other hardware factors (e.g., the Stylo 3 Plus has twice as many CPU cores and expansion memory of up to 2 Terabytes) the Stylo 3 Plus is clearly better than the iPhone 7 Plus.
It's the end analysis which I ask you about since each one of us weighs the varying factors differently (e.g., I don't care about a camera but a kid might care a lot - and where these two cameras seem 'about the same' but they're not exactly the same).
I ended up asking my wife to buy a couple more of the phablets today.
I'm ok with the equivalent iPhone being only 4 times as expensive as the equivalent Android phone. The main calculation is that, for the same amount of money, I can get 5 Android phones for the price of one equivalent iOS phone.
That's what matters since these are gifts so I have to stuff more than one stocking (one set of the recipients for example, are twins).
That's fine. I understand.
The way I think about the math is that I can buy 5 Android phones for the price of an essentially equivalent iOS phone.
In this case, I bought 4, so I had money to spare for something else (like
2 terabyte sd cards for each of the four phones!).The important technical aspect of this question though isn't the price.
The question here is only of fact and how you interpret the hardware comparison in the original post since we all weight the factors differently and you never have to exactly equivalent android/ios phones in all hardware respects.
He who is JF Mezei said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 16:52:37 -0500:
Price is not an indication of quality. Price is an indication of demand. Nothing else.
If you have a hurricane, the price for a piece of lumber can triple. The quality didn't triple - only the demand did.
You can have a pharmaceutical company make Viagra for $100 a pill and then when the patent turns off, the same guy can sell the blue pill for $100 and the white pill for $50 where the only difference is demand.
You can buy car parts on your own or you can let the body shop buy them for you and the price will be ten times for the same part when the body shop buys it.
Price is never an indication of quality. Price is only an indication of demand - which is highly influenced by ... guess what ... c'mon ... guess.....
MARKETING.
Hardware specs aren't everything I agree. What matters is price to performance.
I would expect and hope that the iPhone 7 Plus is at least five times faster in all meaningful benchmarks than the LG Stylo 3 Plus is, as the Stylo has a *lot* of nice things that the iPhone will never have (e.g., removable battery, 2TB storage,
I'll look on DXoMark for the camera comparison because they seem "similar" but not the same.
For example, I think the f stop rating for the iPhone 7 Plus is better than the f stop rating for the LG Stylo 3 Plus - which would make the cameras perform differently when in low-light conditions.
I will defer to the camera tests to see which has the better camera where I would hope that the iPhone has a far better camera because we all know (from extensive DxoMark tests over time) that the iPhone cameras generally are in the bottom of the top ten of the best Android cameras.
That's just dead wrong on the camera. You're too influenced by MARKETING. Apple camera results are fine - but they're historically in the bottom of the top ten or dozen of the best Android cameras at the same time.
We have many threads on this topic ... here's just one: Finally, Apple makes a smartphone camera that isn't the worst of the top ten best!
I think that anyone who thinks iPhone cameras are the best is unduly influenced by MARKETING where the specs aren't the problem. They are just wrong (since the people who test camera output know how to test them).
Apple camera output is good - and it's in the top ten - but almost always over time - it's been in the BOTTOM of the top ten at any given moment - although for a moment or two - they were the number one camera - and then slipped back - only weeks later to fourth or fifth place before dropping back to where they typically are, in tenth place.
Still - the cameras are good - they're just not the best and never were.
But I do agree with you that the specifications don't tell everything but that camera ranking is based on output - not on specs.
Back to the comparison of the $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus to the iPhone 7 Plus, I would HOPE to dear God that the iPhone (at its price) has (far) better meaningful benchmark numbers. It must - but I haven't found the direct
1-to-1 comparison benchmarks yet.
Second phone? I'd not give my kids a first phone let alone a second. I did not buy them cars either. They appreciate what they worked to get.
Certainly. That is a corollary of the first statement. I neither hate or love Apple. However up to this point nobody has offered my money to create software for an Apple product so I have little interest in them.
My only brush with one was after I was gifted with a iPod Shuffle. I will say iTunes was one of the least usable interfaces I've ever used.
He who is rbowman said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 19:18:43 -0700:
It's well known that iTunes is an abomination (just google iTunes and bloatware to find that they're associated intimately).
Luckily, you can use an older version of Sharepod, which I use all the time, which allows you to transfer any data to and from any iPod to and from any Windows desktop computer without risk of blowing away any of your songs like iTunes has a tendency to do because of its idiotic restrictive "library" concept.
Luckily for me, I have older versions of Sharepod lying around and sitting on all my iPods - so if you can find an older version - you're good as gold because there are ZERO restrictions.
With SHarepod freeware, you can copy anything from any iPod to any Windows machine without ever needing a login or password or even storing a single bit of the executable on Windows (it runs off the iPod as a Windows executable stored on the iPod).
Basically, you get an Excel-like spreadsheet with the older versions of Sharepod where you just click to transfer anything to anything - where I've very often transferred songs from one iPod to another or to DVD or from DVD or to disk or from disk or whatever.
He who is Ed Pawlowski said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:29:33 -0500:
Kids learn a lot from their electronics though.
He who is trader_4 said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 13:20:37 -0800 (PST):
Oh. Thanks for explaining. Yes. That's an apropos observation.
I ended up purchasing four of the Android phablets, where for the money saved on not buying the fifth, I'll get the kids each a decently sized sd card.
It's quite nice that the Android tablet can handle up to 2 terabytes of the sd card storage - although I've never bought a card anywhere near that large.
Yes. That seems to be the case. Maybe because AT&T started in NJ and Verizon picked up from them at some point some of their infrastructure?
Out here, Verizon signal is ok. So is AT&T. SO it T-Mobile. Depends on which mountain your house sits on top of. :)
I've had so many cellphones that I can't count them, but never had I had a trouble with unlocking them. It's been easier in the past few years that it was in the beginning where I had to jailbreak just to switch an iOS phone from AT&T to T-Mobile.
Costco gave me paperwork that explicityly says T-mobile will unlock the phones after two billing cycles - so - given that Costco gives 90 day no-questions-asked returns, I can unlock the phone and return it a month later - not that I'd do that - but the point is that unlocking is so easy that it's not an issue in the least.
Here, in California, I've never had a problem unlocking any AT&T or T-Mobile phone in the past few years. So it's a non issue. Like the color of the phone. It's meaningless in the scheme of things.
Bummer. The one thing that keeps my Samsung Galaxy SIII alive is the fact that I can pop in any battery I want at any time I want. It's one of the most important features of a modern smart phone to have the user replaceable battery, IMHO.
I agree that it's better for the manufacturer, in very many ways, to make the phone non removable - but maybe not so much a benefit to the user except perhaps in momentary water proofness in longer immersions.
In short accidental immersions, there may be a huge benefit to popping the battery out quickly - as I've done many times on my S3 over the years (given I hike in all weather with that phone).
Interesting. The current is all that matters, in the end, but the way to get current is with pressure, and that's what the voltage is all about.
It says it does and it says so on the battery charger that came with the phone.
Thanks. Now I have an idea of the charging time expected for a "quick charger". Much appreciated.
It's so nice to deal with the non-iOS-group people who are actually helpful and not so scornful as nospam and some of the others habitually are. Thanks for being a good helpful person.
Interesting. I need to dig more into this "fast charging" stuff as it's new to me, although the electronics is old school stuff of course.
Looking at the specs, I noticed both are essentially USB 2.0, although Apple is, of course, proprietary.
The one good thing that came out of the Apple-proprietary port was it may have spurred the micro-usb people to build a port spec that goes both ways, which is a nice thing Apple did (accidentally) for the industry.
Back to the topic, I assume the benchmark speeds on the LG Stylo 3 Plus will be dismal compared to the iPhone 7 Plus - but I'm awaiting finding them to be sure.
He who is harry newton said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 18:01:01 +0000 (UTC):
What's interesting is this :singshot Extreme" benchmark I just found, which validates what I thought would happen, which is that the iPhone 7 Plus is faster than the LG Stylo 3 Plus.
iPhone 7 Plus:
LG Stylo 3 Plus:
If someone has more insight into the relevance of this "Sling Shot Extreme" benchmark, that would be helpful.
Here are the raw numbers.
Physics test part 1 LG=22 FPS iPhone=26 FPS Physics test part 2 LG=13 FPS iPhone=10 FPS Physics test part 3 LG=7 FPS iPhone=6 FPS Physics score LG=1279 iPhone=1145
- Graphics test 1 LG=2 FPS iPhone=24 FPS Graphics test 2 LG=1 FPS iPhone=11 FPS Graphics score LG=244 iPhone=3342
- Average score = LG=297 iPhone=2307
I think they learn more from working.
He who is The Real Bev said on Sun, 24 Dec 2017 21:20:29 -0800:
Well, I have four of these phablets in four different stockings. They'll open them tomorrow morning. I hope they like 'em.
Merry Christmas!
They clearly have a significant difference, the Apple has a 50% higher clock rate. That likely means it;s on a newer smaller pitch process that would also bring lower power. It's like looking at two PCs, that both have the same memory and hard drive size but one has a CPU that's 50% faster and saying they are seemingly the same, why should one cost a lot more than the other? How much that matters in the real world on these phones who knows, because it's complex. One has more CPUs, so potentially they could make up for some of it, but to what extent, who knows.
You should have put a lump of coal in the bottom of each one just in case! Merry Christmas!
My main machine is Linux and my non-Apple MP3 players show up as mass storage devices that I can copy files to. I got the Shuffle loaded and that was that. I have no intention of ever trying to reload it.
i didn't say quality. as usual, you are also moving the goalposts and wrong.
not necessarily.
this is one reason why your misguided comparison is completely bogus. you don't understand what it is you're comparing.
your statement is false on its face, which puts you in the hater category.
people buy apple products because they best fits their needs, just like anything else, and if their needs change, they will probably buy something else. the price is competitive with similar products and more than half of iphone owners are windows users.
So the Linux user "just gave up"...color me shocked!
HomeOwnersHub website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.