It's not as expensive as it used to be. There is a cpvc pipe that can
be used for sprinklers. I don't think it's actually different, I
think they just made it orange. But I'm not sure. I got 8 sprinkler
heads to put in the garage I'm building out at our lake house. Picked
them up on ebay for about $5 apiece. Idea came to me after some of
our friends almost burned down their house with a garage fire.
Happened while they were at home and they didn't know it until the
neighbor called them. By then flames were rolling up the outside
wall. $100k+ in damages and it barely got out of the garage into the
living space above before the fire dept put it out.
I think you could do a whole house for a couple hundred in materials.
Not sure how much additional plumber labor but I would think you could
keep it under a grand total. My grandparents house in missisppi built
in the 1920's had sprinklers located in on the ceiling in front of
each fireplace hearth. Since there was a fireplace in every room it
amounted to a whole house sprinkler system.
On Jan 10, 1:10 pm, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
LOL... Sounds like you think you are in an area where public safety
budgets have not been cut yet... It is either raise tax rates even
or start cutting even on the essential services like police and
If it takes more than 5 minutes for the fire department to respond to
your structure after calling 911, then a properly designed sprinkler
system will save lives as well as prevent serious damage to your
Now realize that you might not become aware of a fire in your home
if it is on another floor or in an isolated room like a garage or
until it flashes over... If you are *just* calling the fire
that point you will have a $100k loss to deal with...
If you are concerned about the water freezing in your sprinkler system
there are dry sprinkler systems which keep the water out of the piping
until a head pops and the air pressure is released opening the wet
valve and allowing water to flow to the sprinkler heads...
Such systems are installed everywhere in commercial buildings where
there is a large enough overhang or covered exterior area close to the
building which requires protection because of its use or its location
an egress path which must be protected...
Unfortunately dry systems can be a pain in the ass to maintain they
have drum drips which must be emptied at least monthly or you risk
them freezing as well.
pcv does not sweat as much but the drums must be kept empty to prevent
I have been responsible for sprinkler systems in various structures my
entire life and I didn't spend half a day each month emptying drum
traps. That is only necessary in the weeks immediately after a system
trip or the weeks just after commissioning a metallic pipe system.
Once a system is properly charged there is no way for water to enter
the piping system beyond the dry pipe valve unless the system trips or
is charged from the fire department connection.
"Facts" stated not in evidence and completely irrelevant.
If you're not OUT OF THE HOUSE by the time the fire department can get there,
you're dead. A sprinkler system will also cause far more damage, overall.
That's why we have smoke alarms.
Are you stupid? Do you know how much damage a sprinkler going off will cause?
Most of the damage in a fire, that's put out by a FD is caused by water. If
they have to use more than 50gal of water the house is usually a write-off.
Nope, according to Fire Administration and National Fire Protection
Assoc tests. Hollywood notwithstanding, sprinklers in residential
applications (nursing homes, hotels, etc.) don't all go off all at once.
It is quite often one or two heads. BIG difference from what the trucks
put on the fire. Also fires double in size every minute or so.
Flashovers can take place as little as 4-5 minutes. There has never in
the history of the US been a multiple fatality fire in a building with a
Not that much. Most of the residential activations that haven't been
accelerated, you only have one or two go off. Current data from the USFA
and NFPA suggest typical damage a home suffers during a fire is reduced
by 71% when sprinklers are present and operating. Occupants in a home
with an operating fire sprinkler system have an 80% increased chance of
Single family residences have a lot of experience, see above.
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to
koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
I have pictures some where from when one head on an R 13 system went
off in a town house kitchen and destroyed it and 2 rooms below it with
water. because some one put something in a microwave they should not
Sprinklers do work but they also cause significant damage as well.
thats why many insurance company's will increase your premium on home
owners insurance if you have sprinklers.
have a customer with2 high end homes put sprinklers in both and turned
them both off after having water damge from frozen pipes.
LOL... And why not ?
If something can save lives why not require it... Especially
out there in the "heartland of America" where volunteer fire
protection rules the day...
Smoke detectors = required
Carbon monoxide detectors = required
automatic fire sprinklers = requirement coming soon
Not just the public safety folks, but normal people are
starting to see the pattern of people dying in small home
fires as opposed to large multi-unit dwellings which have
had the requirement to be sprinkler protected for a while
How many people were electrocuted in the bathroom
at home before GFCI's became a requirement ?
How many fires do you hear about on the news where the FD reports that
there were no working smoke detectors? I'll tell you....a lot!
Smoke detectors are about $10. CO detectors a little more. Sprinkler
systems are a lot more.
Smoke detectors should be mandatory. They are proven to save life and
property at a very low cost. But, like anything else, they are only as
good as the people who maintain them. Now, think of how much damage
can be done with a sprinkler system that is not maintained properly.
I'm all for saving lives and property, but as hard as they try,
politicians can't legislate stupidity.
Whether you think requiring sprinklers in new homes is a good idea or
not, I think it's positively STUPID to pass this law in PA now, in the
middle of the worst housing recession since the Depression. Sort
of like passing national health insurance, imposing all kinds of
uncertaintity and new costs on businesses during the worst recession.
They can't sell houses now, so let's make them cost even more....
On Jan 11, 9:03 am, email@example.com wrote:
All the new homes I see built are for the rich. Screw them.
don't want to build cheap houses. They make more money on the big
All the poorer people have to settle for used stuff. The people that
don't like national
health insurance, don't have many friends that need it.
Its not only Pa with sprinklers any state following ICC codes need
sprinklers unless they have excluded itand some states did.
Also all new circuits installed in a any residence new or existing
must now be protected by a Arc Fault breaker.
at $35.00 a pop plus all electrical outlets must now be child tamper
as of 2010 NEC
Plus there are new insulation energy code costs and tests as well on
average all the new code things will add 8-10 thousand to the cost of
a new home.
Any state following ICC codes now need to follow sprinkler code unless
they exempt it not just Pa.
There are new energy and Electrical codes to drive up the cost.
All new circuits installed in new or existing homes must now be
protected by GFCI or new Arc Fault breakers
Add $1000.00 extra cost for this average new homes.
all outlets in home must be tamper proof to prevent children
inserting items in outlets .
a new infrared energy test must be run to see if home is leaking air.
also new energy codes require almost all new homes have duct work in
interior walls only no more outside walls unless special duct work
average cost to a new home between sprinklers and electrical and
energy is $8-10 thousand and thats if additional items like a pressure
tank for sprinkler is needed.
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