MK recall double sockets, high fire risk Featured

Nightmare. I bet those have been installed everywhere over the last 6 years. There are probably housing estates and hotels full of them. Nothing I can see from MK/Honeywell as to what they're going to do about it.

I thought I'd put one in the other week - a random socket from the junk box so the wrapper is thrown away, but my Toolstation order history from 2020 suggests it was the Logic Plus K2747 not the Essentials MV2747.

Theo

MK Logic Plus fittings are easy to identify by their profile, surely ?.

Review of MK Logic Plus vs Essential products.

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I wonder what the consequences will be (cf flammable cladding?). Replacing the defective products will be the easy bit, but what about sites where these have been installed over the past six years?

In a hotel for example, Premier Inn could hardly give each guest a socket and a screwdriver and ask them to install it before bedtime!

What about new build housing? If MK Essential is installed there, will liability lie with the builder, electrical contractor, NHBC and will this include labour and inspection costs?

If a house goes on fire, will the insurers be able to repudiate the claim on the basis that the fire was caused by unsafe electrical equipment, and the policyholder was negligent in not replacing it?

Will the affected sockets become a fail item in any EICR? Will the landlord then be required to remedy before renting?

This is widely reported as a recall, but it's not clear yet what MK are doing about products already in the field.

I know what it says but I am (as I said) looking at the consequences. Removing it from the market clearly does not deal with the safety issues relating to those already installed. When a car is unsafe, I assume you are not suggesting that removing it from the market is sufficient, with no need to rectify the vehicles already in use?

That's exactly what's happened with asbestos, for example.

Is that not because asbestos is best left undisturbed? Advice was given not to drill into or otherwise disturb asbestos. Extending your parallel would mean leaving the sockets known to present a fire hazard and running a public information campaign to tell householders not to use the switch on the sockets. I think this could cause a degree of confusion.

Thanks. I hadn't twigged that the Essentials ones have removable faceplates but the Logic Plus don't. That should make it fairly easy to spot from the outside what you have.

Theo

There are adverts on YouTube?

I don't see any - but I do use Brave (a browser M'Lud) exclusively for viewing YouTube.

I wondered about this. Could it be that the main unit is not MK but just an unbranded product with an MK faceplate fitted, sold as MK?

That question might be better addressed over at uk.legal.moderated.

Good point. Should I cross-post or is cross-posting discouraged?

cross-posting across moderated and unmoderated is unpredictable at best.

A comment on that video from 3 years ago:

"I now believe these are not even made by MK, but a Chinese OEM (and the same one BG uses, so the quality is decent enough for the MK brand and guarantee). These plastics will scratch and discolour easily."

The suggestion seems to be they're made for other markets which use UK sockets (Malaysia, Oman, etc) where a quid or two difference in price is a big deal when you're paying an electrician $2 an hour to install them.

They're sold as MK by Honeywell who now own the brand, but perhaps design and manufacture is contracted to the Chinese OEM.

Theo (who recently took two brand new CED switches out of packets, to find one didn't work and on the other the snap action was lumpy. CED are now on my avoid list)

Was it wise then for MK / Honeywell to promote and sell them in the UK risking their reputation for quality? Will the public not associate them in years to come as purveyors of crap?

This?