Spin-down can be taken care of a *lot* more cheaply than a SawStop mechanism (and patent license). SCMSs do it. I'm really surprised table saws don't have at least dynamic blade braking.
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Competition for SawStop ?
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Only the $99 chop and mitre saws can afford to have dynamic braking.
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Isn't one of the principles of a capitalistic society that one gets to
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The point I am trying to make is that you should never actually believe that everything that you know is going to guarantee your safety 100%. You should always realize that you are human and can make a mistake or have a lapse in judgement.
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They chose to take the risk. They know what they were dealing with. Same with the shuttle crews, it really does not matter whose fault it is, the fact is that they chose to take the risk.
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LOL,,,, Absolutely but unless you are extremely naive, which I don't think that Larry is, purchasing gasoline, insurance, and the list goes on, you are feeding greed. Oh and arrogance.
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The problem with lowering the blade at every opportunity is that you will soon tire of that practice after doing it 3 or 4 hundred times during a project and it certainly will introduce inconsistencies when cutting to a specific depth.
Simply put, lowering the blade at every opportunity can increase safety but it is not practicle as production can grind to a halt if you observe and take every precaution to the letter. When you don't prescribe to the letter you take risk. When you take risks you open up to the chance of an accident. You have to weigh the risk and be your own judge.
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Oh, I didn't know you had a gasoline powered SawStop.
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"Leon" wrote
I spent 33 years in the FD. I retired and opened a building inspection business inspecting businesses for insurance companies. I operated that business for 25 years. I have a bit of a notion about risk management. (which is the point *I'm* trying to make) Every individual has a different level of risk........it's human nature. Surely you've heard the expression, "He/she is accident prone". It's actually true. Some people cut themselves more than average. Some stumble and fall. Some run into things,.... ad infinitum. In my judgment and in my case only, I consider the SawStop an excessive expense. For me. I don't think you can imagine my disgust with the device in the extremely unlikely event that it "triggered" on a "false" event. I would be tempted to use a cutting torch on the whole machine. *IF* the expense of repairs was minimal (less than $50) and the repair time was on the order of 1/2 hour or less, I *might* be tempted. *Provided* that the saw itself was, in my opinion, worth the investment. I don't mean to denigrate the saw or the device. I'm just saying that it doesn't fit *my* needs. Anyone else must make their own decision.
Max
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As I would have in the same situation.
Max
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"Leon" wrote
Precisely.
Max
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I'd give my left nut (it ain't doing me any good anyway) for a ride into space.
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Picky, picky. I was on my 6th beer when I wrote that.
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-------------------------------------------- You can always find an exception to the rule; however, having the minimum amount of the blade exposed while cutting is well within the
90/10 safety rule, IMHO.Frankly since it is a college that is promoting this procedure via their participation of offering a manual arts course, I'm more than comfortable with it.
Since is part of the community college network here in CA, their potential liability issues are enormous and to be avoided where possible.
Afterall, this is CA, one of the most litigious places in the world.
Lew
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Actual convo:
him: "Did you just insult me?"
me: "Did you think I insulted you?"
him: "I'm not sure."
me: "If I insulted you, there would be no doubt, you moron!"
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"Le> The problem with lowering the blade at every opportunity is that you
------------------------------------- All I can say is I'm glad I don't work in your shop or ask you to be part of a crew of a sailing vessel trying to make port for the first time on a moonless black night without the aid of functioning radar or any other shore side markers such as even city light glow.
The prudent thing to do is to stand off, keep your pecker in your pants, and wait for better weather.
Not the most pleasant thing to do, but the boat and crew both arrive safely.
Same ideas apply to the shop, there is more than "..haste makes waste" at work here.
There are countless events, including some with the best navigation equipment, that ended on a lee shore.
Only the salvager benefits IF they get there fast enough.
Lew
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I am not trying to sell you any thing and am not suggesting that you buy any safety equipment. I am only saying that only a naive person thinks that he knows enough to prevent every possible scenario that could lead to an accident.
Now if you have never ever had an accident or cut yourself with a nife or any similar object I'd say that you were 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000, but I doubt you all in that percentile.
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Lew, I think that if you really believe in what you just said that you would never set sail.
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Having hashed through this back and forth, now you agree. But the question still nags concerning your attitude towards when to quit working with woodworking machines. Will you quit when you think you are not capable of working safely or after you have an accident and then realize you are no longer capable of working safely?
"And *I* wouldn't buy one because when the time comes that my common sense, agility, and attention to safety factors are so badly deteriorated that I feel the need for the device I will discontinue using a table saw."
So how will you know when your common sense is gone? Seems to me common sence would indicate that you and I both are imperfect and that neither of us is prepaired for each and every possible accident that might happen in the future. Commen sense tells me that I am imperfect, I can make a mistake, and that I may not know that I am no longer capable untill I do something that may lead to an accident.
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I hear you, Leon. I'm not sure you're hearing *me*. I cannot avoid *all* unfortunate circumstances. What if on my next trip to the lumber yard someone in the oncoming traffic has a blowout and crosses the line and hits me head-on? I might suggest that the odds are shorter of that happening than the odds of me sticking my hand into a spinning saw blade. It's all about risk management. You choose how to manage those risks you recognize. I recognize the possibility of having an accident with my table saw (and a myriad of other risks in my shop) The cost/benefit ratio of the SawStop does not appeal to me. I have already stated what costs would alter the ratio. Let me repeat: I recognize the hazards. I recognize that I am *not* immune. I choose to manage my risk differently than you do. But, again, I do appreciate your advice and apparent concern.
Max