Re: New Electrical Regulations

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:52:59 GMT, "BigWallop"

I believe so.
For gas installation work the Statutory Instrument, the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 stipulate that the person doing the work must be competent. It does not define that. However it goes on to say that people doing gas fitting work for reward must be a member of "a class of persons" defined by the HSE. The HSE separately defines that as membership of CORGI.
In addition, the Approved Documents to the Building Regulations relating to fuel burning appliance installation and energy saving (parts J and L1) say that the requirements in respect to the B Regs. are satisfied if the work is done by a "member of the class of persons" i.e. CORGI member. Alternatively one can issue a Building Notice.
So you can DIY inside the law from the perspective of the GSIUR if you are competent, but would still need to go for a building notice.
The proposed electrical wiring aspect of the Building Regulations does not have an equivalent the GSIUR, so the proposed requirement is simply in relation to the Building Regs. and the work is exempted if a NICEIC member does it.
For DIY work, you would have to issue a building notice, legally speaking.
However there is a minor works exemption, which allows you to DIY a few things such as spurs and other small works as long as they are not in a kitchen or bathroom, but not circuits or the like.

That will certainly be true, and in one sense is not a change.
I suspect that what will happen in practice is that people will ignore the legislation and get a survey done under the circumstances you describe.

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He's old enough to go in a pub?
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Andrew McKay

It is the truth. Get real!!!! On crime/juvenile delinquency. It is blamed on not having a stable home base as the parents are out at work. Only 7% of households have the mother at home all day. Ever thought why? The parents are out trying to pay a hefty mortgage because the land amount to 2/3 of the valve of the tiny roof over their heads. There are amazing detrimental knock on effects of creating an artificial land shortage. Why don't you ever think. Lateral thinking has passed most of the population by.
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That may or may not be the case, but it isn't related to Electrical Regulations. Do you have any comment on the Government's mismanagement of that?

Quite possibly.

That may be one factor. Another is that women, not unreasonably, want to pursue a career.

I do, and on a broad range of topics, as opposed to banging on about one hobby horse the whole time.

On that I agree with you.

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wrote:> >> >> When you look at the figures for deaths from falls then you would

It is the case.

Most certainly in 90% plus of cases.

it is THE major factor!!!!

How many? Get real mate. The vast majority of women are not career women, they want to be old fashioned mums at home.

Not enough and not deep enough and not lateral enough.
The biggest problem we have in the UK is the land problem. It cascades into a multitude of sins. Free up the land and planning system and we all benefit. That is YOU too.
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Jeez, you really are an old-time socialist, aren't you! Can't have these women going out to work, next thing you know they'll be expecting to be able to vote ... :-)
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women,
The majority of mums don't want to go out and work, and quite rightly so. That is the case!!!!
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I'm not sure how you can put a number on a societal issue like this.

.. or on that.

I'm completely real. Virtually all women that I know view both their careers and childraising importantly, as do most men.
The issue of major importance is day and after school care, but this is not a financial one from their perspective but availability.

Remember that I am the one with the university education.....

It would be possible to construct an argument in the direction of almost any hobby horse you like by selective use of information.
After all, a cow is a quadruped, so all four legged animals must be cows.....

I don't have the same angst or enthusiasm regarding land redistribution as you do
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women,
So am I.
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From which university and in which subject?
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Why? Do you want my home address and shoe size too. Duh!! You know I really don't care about what place you went to learn to read, or anyone else's either.
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Not especially, except that your approach to a multitude of issues (and I don't mean political position) do not suggest that you have had a university education.
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Do you mean all uni people vote Tory?
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Point illustrated. I specifically excluded political position....

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I'm a uni person and I don't vote Tory - well not in million years would I do such a thing to the good people of this nation.
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Well here is my NI number HT 679023 K. Shoe size 7.5.
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Maxie, I did not sidestep, being a superb tango dancer.
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IMM attended the university of life. But not as we know it.
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Who's telling porkies? That is NOT a valid NI number. I've just checked this with 2 people close to me who work with these numbers every day.
Iain, in Bradford
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Mostly, they come from the Regulatory Impact Assessment. However, they are missing accidental deaths in the home due to non-electrical fires, which I added in as it's quite significant compared with the other figures. I found those on one of the government websites (Home Office IIRC). If there are other causes of accidental deaths in the home which neither the RIA or I have not thought of, they are missing too.
See my original response to the consultation: http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/buildregs.pdf
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