The only constitutional change Bliar is interested in is that which gives
him more power. I agree that the banana republic has to go, but as it is
inextricably linked with My Little Tony, he has to go with it.
One advantage the hereditary peers had over the HoC was that their
justification or opposition to something wasn't based upon trying to
extend their own political career, as happens so often in the HoC.
There is merit in having reviewers of legislation who aren't dependent
upon the whims of the electorate every 5 years.
And let us not forget that the HoL is not a law-making society. It is
a law-shaping society. The HoC puts forward proposals for the statute
book which are passed thru the HoL (generally speaking - there are
exceptions such as the finance bill which the HoL can't touch by
virtue of precedent). The HoL can debate and revise the proposals,
which are then passed back to the HoC.
When you see some of the dickhead proposals which are spouted by
Blunkett and others you get to feel glad that there is a 2nd chamber.
I happen to wonder how this country ever managed to get thru the last
800 years or so with the HoL which is so obviously broken.
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BALLS!!! They were attempting to keep their wealth and the history of UK
politic clearly indicates this. Read some history, especially re: the Irish
famine and the enclosures in England and the Clearing of the crofts in
Scotland. They were a self interest group, nothing more and collectively
have successfully hung onto their wealth over the centuries. No other major
western nation had such a ridiculous system. You obviously sucked in the
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I would agree that having the Bank of England in control of interest
rates was a good move, but only places it in line with most other
countries. Brown is largely ineffectual, so fortunately has not done
significantly damaged the economy.
Constitutional change is sufficiently important that changes should be
by referendum, not by cabinet reshuffle and hoping that nobody would
notice. Whether or not constitutional change is desirable, I very
much doubt whether the majority of the electorate who voted for the
government has in mind giving it the carte blanche that it imagines it
Returning to the topic, have you read the report on the ODPM web site?
While this proposed legislation is not quite on the scale of tinkering
around with the constitution, it is of importance to a lot of home
owners and certainly to anybody in this NG.
Does it fall under your category of "simple social responsibility
laws"? In other words, do you think it's a good thing?
From the report:
- They received 490 replies of which 206 were from electrical
However they did not take into account that this group represents a
vested interest in restricting who can carry out electrical work.
- 143 were forwarded to the Minister by MPs acting on behalf of their
constituents, including many that were from electrical contractors
If this were in the House of Commons, I would be suggesting that "they
are misleading the House" - We know the meaning of that coded
language. I wrote to them via my MP (and received a reply from the
minister). I know of at least two other people who also did who are
not electrical contractors and who were not in support of the
This means that either somebody can't add up, or something rather more
- The public respondents rejected the need for independent inspectors
and expressed concerns that the added costs of an independent
inspector on one or more occasions would deter the DIY worker and
those working in the grey/black economy from notifying work at any
This was ignored as were a number of other comments submitted by the
The report mentions that 63% of respondents were in favour of the
proposed legislation, but of course they omit the correlation between
that and the "main players" and "industry" groups.
One can deduce fairly easily that that correlation is quite clear.
So essentially, we have a situation where the government proposes to
go with the line of following the interests of trade associations, who
will gain financially and whose members will gain financially from it.
They actively campaigned to their members and through the trade press.
The general public was not made aware of it, as witnessed by the small
number of responses. Were there signs up in B&Q making people aware
of the effective demise of DIY electrical work? No.
I think that it's going to be quite interesting when the public at
large finds out about this and realises that once again they have been
ignored in favour of dogma.
.. and you consider this to be socially responsible legislation?
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What on earth are you talking about?
My post was about the proposed part P to the Building Regulations.
Perhaps you would like to return to the topic and comment on that.
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That's because the rest of the world haven't noticed that he is naked.
Trying not to be political here, there was a recent report by a very
influential group suggesting that GB had not done particularly well.
The only reason that the world hasn't noticed is that he has been
lucky that there hasn't (yet) been an obvious signs.
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