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Granted but I believe the trend has been headed that way for quite some time in other than totally custom built homes or in our case, when upper end remodeling. Perry homes has been better cookie cutter and still offered job site built cabinets up until about 10 years ago.

Out where I live I would venture to say the vast majority of the homes built in the last 20 years had prefab including the homes approaching $1M.

Understood and agreed but I highly suspect that the homers you are referencing are a much smaller percentage of what is being built since the

70's.

Correct and I agree here but you mentioned to go on any residential construction site in the country during installation of the kitchen cabinets and you will likely see something identical in use by the trim carpenters during drawer installation. residential home site construction and I took that to mean new home construction.

I think we are just looking at what you said differently. Obviously we never installed drawers in the kitchens that we did together prior to install.

Well the prefab cabs are certainly coming with better hardware, that is for sure. I was a bit surprised that Colon & Reeda's new home with prefab cabinets came with full extension side mount slides but equally surprised that they were not soft close.

Absolutely.

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I had to think about it too. ;~) Even with drawings. LOL

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Pffft ... I think you're just arguing because my deck is bigger than yours. LOL

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Guilty!

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In Sketchup, go to File|3D Warehouse|Get Model, and you can find all kinds of cabinet models to help you populate your particular space.

Try to find the ones that are truly "dynamic", IOW, which can be resized/scaled to fill a certain area, often in both height and width.

Or go here with a web browser and search around:

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They should all download into a folder, or if in SketchUp, directly into your model that is open.

Back six or seven years ago, before SU use was as widespread as it is today, I had to program my own DC (Dynamic Component) face frames, doors, wall and base cabinets, in both Traditional and Euro style, which I still use today for designing kitchens and baths.

Most of what you will find on the 3D Warehouse are much more sophisticated than my old ones, with many more options, but you may not get the level of detail that will help with fabrication of the components that make up the cabinets.

Nonetheless, give it a try ... it will quickly leverage your actual benefit of using SketchUp as you learn.

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That means he can come over to your place more often and mooch some barbeque. :)

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He keeps this up, it's crackers and water ... :)

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Thanks for the link, I checked it out, and found that the dynamic feature is only for the pro version. :( I had seen a little about this feature and it was on my bucket list of thinks to check out. A very nice feature, makes a lot of things reusable.

I finally got my pieces to link up and a beautiful sight to see when an end panel with Dado's and Grooves link up to its associated pieces.

I have already found some issues regarding my new cabinet designs in my head, rather correct them in Sketchup than with real wood products.

I am glad that you and Leon stressed using the program, Thank you.

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Leon, I really appreciated seeing that, and your color legend idea for wood products. I had been thinking about that very same thing and you, lol, gave me the solution before I even mentioned it.

I finally got things linking up, nice to see joints "hook up" I have already found some problems with my cabinet designs, and it is so much easier to correct them in the drawing than making the same mistake with real wood. :)

To think, that this all started out with the idea of installing slide out drawers for the pots n pans, and large under the counter appliances, then advancing to full replacement due to upgraded appliances and the knowledge that my cabinets were at the end of their life cycle.

Thanks for your insistence on using Sketchup, it has turned into a real plus.

I had downloaded a cutlist program for version 16 but have not gotten to the point where I need to set it up, yet. I hope to later this week.

Thanks again, and thank you for the link on drawer slides, those prices are 2/3rds of the prices I see around here.

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Super great advice, thank you.

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The link info was great, less expensive that what I can get here locally, even less than the box stores.

We decided at the beginning to use metal slides for their full length extension capability, making it far easier to get at the stuff at the back of the cabinet without having to unload the cabinet every time you need something.

I also ran across a mention of a slide with an extra 3/4 " extension for drawers that are under the counter top so that those drawers are also fully extendable when you take the countertop overhang into account.

Thanks again Leon.!

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You are welcome. Keep in mind that the over travel slides can be a bit pricey for that extra

3/4" of travel. You cab accomplish the same thing by simply making the drawer 3/4" or more shorter front to back.
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And just go a bird rather with that, when I send a drawing to a customer I use wood grain materials instead of different colors.

Exactly.

Slippery slope. In 1989 my wife and I began discussing replacing cabinet doors and drawers in our kitchen for a more fresh look to an 8 year old prefab kitchen. I still had a real full time job and about 2 years later we ended up with all new cabinets, a foot print twice as large, an additional pantry, new appliances, Olympic sized kitchen sink, and new tile floor. 25 years later that kitchen, which now belongs to our son, still looks better than the original kitchen.

The more you use it the more you will wonder how you did with out it. It is as important as any tool in my shop.

And if you need a link to Blum Euro style hinges,,,,, I buy boxes of 50 at a time.. In particular a FF screw mounted Blum hinge with 1/2" over lay. IIRC Blum calls it a Compact 35. The site that I buy from has sales on multiples of 50. I just reordered and paid about $1.15 per hinge. Considering that their regular price is around $1.75 each that is a substantial savings.

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Only partly true.

You can only "development" them in the Pro version.

You can certainly use Dynamic Components, and take advantage of their abilities in Make.

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Be careful, you'll have a shop full of Festool before you know it.

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Oh, I didn't realize that. Right now I am in the 30 day tryout period of the pro. Wondering what kind of a hit I will take when that part of the program stops. I've seen the actions of "follow me" when moldings around a piece of furniture, HOT!

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ROTFLOL, I doubt it, but that domino tool the way Leon used it makes be want to look and see what it costs. ;)

BAH Humbug, I just had to go look, but hey! They give you free shipping.

Think I'll do fine without it and with what I have, plus if I get hungry I can eat biscuits which is better than playing a game of domino's.

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I was thinking about that very same thing. Thanks for the confirmation.

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IIRC when the trial period ends the only thing you loose is the ability to construct dynamic components, most of the solid object modification tools, Style Builder, and Layout.

Of all of those the dynamic components is probably the biggest hit you will notice. None of the others are really necessary for typical woodworking.

I am a shortcut freak. I despise having to click on icons for every frequently used operation. You can assign just about any command a shortcut. If you open up the top menus the drop down windows show commands that you can either click or you can use the short cut key that is shown and assigned to the command.

If that sort of thing interests you there is a window for setting up the short cut key strokes.

AND some of the commands do not appear in that window UNLESS........ you have actually selected a line or component in the drawing.

For instance the right click "flip along" command is very helpful for giving you a mirror image of something that you have copied and placed in another spot in the drawing. The Flip Along commands no not appear in the short cut window if you do not have something selected in the drawing. Clear as mud? LOL

Just something else to think about as you progress with the program.

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LOL, Don't you have a spare thousand dollars for that tool???

AND you need to run a shop vac with that tool to insure that the chips are cleared out of the mortise. The Festool brand vacs are right on up there also BUT IMHO worth every penny. They are exceptionally quiet. You seldom hear them running when using another power tool, even sanders.

You really need to be doing volume to justify the expense, I have had my Domino since early 2008 IIRC and I have averaged about 1500 mortises for each year that I have had it so it has paid me back in spades owning one.

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