OT - What will be completely unacceptable in 100 years - or even 50

Ok ... I dare say some are (like BoJo) but many aren't.

So no proof then?

Ok, that's a start then. ;-)

Yes, because 'throughout the millennia' we haven't had what could be an avalanche effect in the climate.

Remember the 'poll tax'?

Commie? Just because I want things to be fair all round that makes me a commie does it?

Where your version of 'rightfully' differs wildly between other people and especially those you take it from?

At what point do you assume your view is 100% correct?

How the world could work 100 years from now you mean?

Nope. Are you being purposely stupid?

Now possibly, but in the timescale we are discussing here?

See above, please try to keep up old man.

Ah, more history.

See above.

Nope. looking ahead re how we might be able to better rationalise the load across those able to support it. It'd been done for years in many fields.

Interesting. You don't like the ideas of how you may well be living differently in the future and that makes me 'a commie'?

It can, but not if it's selfish self interest.

Cheers, T i m

IOW inconvenenient truths, which you're unwilling and/or unable to face up to.

But if it's in everyone's DNA as you claim, then how comes some people with this DNA have nevertheless decided to manipulating other people with this DNA, to normalise activities they would typically oppose ?

So where did they get the idea from, of manipulating people ?

Or are you now going to snip that one as well ?

michael adams

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Quite, some here would like us not to evolve an enzyme to digest lactose, enabling us to consume milk well into our adulthood.

Nature's funny like that.

If we weren't abused, attacked and called names by the likes of you, you wouldn't feel under attack when we put you right on so many matters. Only someone missing half their brain can't see that.

Were you one of these abusers?

Simples, stop arguing and creating arguments you will never win.

GMT of course or whatever its proper name is

Agreed.

With rare exceptions, time zones should be as close as practicable to solar time. Rounded to the hour to avoid making the system more awkward.

No, more 'in your other words', trying to put words in my mouth ... because you are 'a crazy'. ;-(

Unwilling to waste time trying to work out what it has to do with the subject in hand.

It's not what I claim, it's a fact. And of course, by 'everyone' I don't include the tiny minority of psychopaths who are not atypical.

Sit outside a food place with what appears to be a dog in a container and kick the container when the 'dog' barks or makes a noise and see how long it takes before people put down their fork full of chicken / baby cow / baby lamb / piglet meat and come out and stop you.

Cognitive dissonance, logical inconsistency and social conditioning has lead to this situation. People are in the Matrix.

Profit, tradition, historical 'need' > lack of empathy (when it comes to animals), profit, tradition, lack of empathy and moral guidance / control when it comes to people (eg, slavery etc).

See above.

Nope, because it was reasonably sensible.

Cheers, T i m

so that's what gave rise to the definition of an aerial rigger "Out of work window cleaner with a ladder". ;=)

Nice graphic!

Thanks, daughter tends to find them. ;-)

Funnily enough, it's often the simplest ones that make the point for my POV, like these:

Cheers, T i m

The chimpanzees example ? The "subject in hand" there, was your totally spurious claim that humans are the only species capable of gratuitous cruelty.

Humans have fought wars for thousands of years, and there is evidence that chimps do as well. Are both species innately violent

Then in 1974, Goodall got her first taste of something altogether more chilling: inter-group violence between two communities of adult chimps. The "war", as she called it, went on for four years.

The larger of the two groups began "systematically invading" the territory of the smaller group. If the invaders found a rival chimp, they would attack it and leave it to die of its wounds. "They annihilated an entire community that way."

There can be no doubt that groups of chimps kill one another Goodall was shocked by the brutality of the attacks. She described the invaders "cupping the victim's head as he lay bleeding with blood pouring from his nose and drinking the blood, twisting a limb, tearing pieces of skin with their teeth."

What makes you assume psychopaths might not like animals ?

Ronnie Kray, for one was very attached to his alsation who was called Freda as it happens.

But anyway apart from some possible exeptions, other than Ronnie Kray according to you, its in everone's DNA to be kind to animals.

Not in South Korea they wouldn't. They'd assume the chef had come out to collect the contents of that evenings stew.

So that now its in everyones DNA, except psychopaths (except Ronnie Kray ) and maybe not Koreans. And certainly not those Chinese who I saw in a particularly revolting film chopping the legs off live frogs and throwing the legs in one bucket and the rest of the frog in another. So thats probably a good few million Chinese out of the reckoning as well.

Or Koreans, or Chinese,

"Moral guidance" ?

So on what basis, apart from questionable claims about DNA, do you suppose anyone is qualified to offer moral guidance to anyone else, about such matters ?

michael adams

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I can't remember now, it wasn't relevant whatever.

Where did I state that then?

Who said they wouldn't. Never seen the bad guy in a Bond film with his cat? They can also love people and torture animals.

As it happens?

It is, but only in a left brainers interpretation of 'everyone'.

Quite, so who is right?

Yup.

Nope, or are you saying that Koreans can't have and protect pets?

Yup, at least to accept such practices are 'revolting'. Keep going in that direction and you will get the point ... ;-)

Maybe a tiny percentage but again, cognitive dissonance / logical inconsistency / social conditioning etc.

See above.

Yup, how we are directed by our peers, the laws and natural reactions to do what's right.

If you have to ask you wouldn't understand the answer. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

Got my window cleaner many years ago. Original one just left a note saying they'd been done if you weren't in and collected the money later. Bird s*it proved he'd not been near them.

New one a very young lad - ladders strapped to an ancient bike he pushed. But very conscientious. Later on, his girlfriend accompanied him, and looked after the cash and paperwork. Saw things progress to a cheap old banger to carry the ladders to now a very decent car. It is now (during this virus) his grown up daughter who accompanies him and deals with the cash. Any change given in a plastic bag.

Still as conscientious as ever, his efforts have bought him a decent house and a nice new camper van. As well as raising a family.

Where I live they use brushes on long poles supplied with water from hoses. Reaches the top of three story building.

Usually fed from a cubic metre IBC in the back of a transit, I presume they have a reverse osmosis filter in their garage at home to refill the tank overnight?

For an animal lover there's a whole lot of dead horse flogging going on.

You might think so, but:

"Newfoundland, India, Iran, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, the Marquesas, as well as parts of Australia use half-hour deviations from standard time"

"some nations, such as Nepal, and some provinces, such as the Chatham Islands of New Zealand, use quarter-hour deviations."

Was that around the time of the Coronation when lots of people were getting sets ?

And presumably there was another brief boom 2 years later when they had to get another aerial for ITV.

This was your Dad, I assume.

michael adams

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You don't like reading about thoso chimpanzees do you ?

" There can be no doubt that groups of chimps kill one another Goodall was shocked by the brutality of the attacks. She described the invaders "cupping the victim's head as he lay bleeding with blood pouring from his nose and drinking the blood, twisting a limb, tearing pieces of skin with their teeth."

Ah the "left brain" "right brain" thing. I wondered when that woukld crop up. That was the "hot topic" of a few months ago that you couldn't stop going on about, until veganism loomed up on the horizon to take its place. It almost makes a person wonder what could possibly be next on the agenda.

What I'm saying is that if they saw a dog outside a restaurant they might well think it was simply on that day's menu and not someone's pet. As you automatically assumed it would be, in your example,

You have absolutely no idea of my own personal opinion, on any of these topics. Whereas you leave no one in any doubt at all as to your own opinions. However, and it's a big however, you have yet to provide one single convincing reason why anyone should think likewise.

Put it like this. It's open to anyone to say

"I like animals, I think animals are treated abominably in many cases and that many humans are cruel and uncaring. I can't help it, that's just the way I feel about it"

And nobody can argue with that. It's the way many people feel.

Howver you *insist* on going one stage further. Not only do you leave no one in any doubt as to how much you like animals, but you insist that everyone else should think in exactly the same way as you do. and thst if they don't then they're either mental cases, morally defective or lack "moral guidance". But without giving any reasons why they should do so at all. Simply just because you say so.

There are at least four aspects to this.

First this is how immature people typically behave. They simply can't understand how anyone could possibly think any differently about anything, to the way they do.

Secondly this is an attempt at controlling behaviour of a rather sinister kind, IMO. Possibly its fortunate that your efforts are mainly confined (one hopes) to a small newsgroup made up mainly of people who's minds were made up long ago.

Third, its noticeable how desparate you are at times to convince people of what a nice person you really are, kind to animals etc. In my experience people like this are often trying to cover something up, a murky past maybe, dark secrets that they're trying to forget themselves and are hoping other people will forget as well.

Fourth and last, More than once it has ocurred to me that you are possibly in the grip of a cult of some kind, same as the Scientologist or Moonies but possibly on a smaller scale. The left brain right brain stuff , and now the veaganism, combined with the moral certainity and imperviousness to argument which you display are typical of someone who has been brainwashed by a cult of some kind. And basically your refernece to "moral guidance" in your last post was more or less the icing on the cake in this regard.

I very much doubt any answer you provided would differ in any substantial way from any of your other answers. "This is how I think, everyone else should think in exactly the same way as I do, as its in our DNA. Or if they don't the they're either mental cases, or are in need of moral guidance. So what else is new ?

michael adams

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