OT - What will be completely unacceptable in 100 years - or even 50

What's wrong with you ... I watched it on TV? Now, and ... ?

What about parasitic animals and all the other processes that happen in nature, not because they *enjoy* what they do, they just do what they do.

If we rape, keep, torture and kill animals to eat, when we don't

You don't change so 'that thing' isn't going to change eh?

When you first starting talking weird stuff like a left brainer.

Hardly taken it's place, the two things aren't mutually exclusive, as you are proving.

I don't know, what weird direction are you going to try to take it in your desperate attempt of trolling?

I know, and ... ?

Nope, you wouldn't have a clue, left brainer.

Other than by reading what you type you mean?

Yup, that's the point with a real discussion.

I don't *have* to do anything, especially for you and any other of the trolls. All the 'normal's' understand where I and the millions of others who prefer not to torture and kill animals for our own pleasures, even if they haven't come to the same decision themselves yet.

Good to hear ... ;-)

Quite.

What, to one where I stop just ignoring the injustice and try to do something about it?

I don't 'like' (all especially) animals, I just respect them and their right to live their lives without us torturing and killing them.

How can I *insist* any such thing? See, this is where you left brainers show your hands, you can't cope with the idea of a concept without thinking someone is going to force you into something (especially me). Could I if I could? Yes, Can I right now? No.

Some of them are that's for sure, especially those who think they have full licence over every other species.

I've given loads. Look up 'Slaughter' on Youtube and see if the penny drops for you.

Nope, because it's morally right that we should do so.

Oh this should be funny ...

Oh the irony. And 'left brainers' of course.

You mean like those actively protesting against any wrongdoing you mean?

Nope, I try to 'spread the word' wherever I can. Just as anyone would you sees an injustice acted upon an innocent party, especially one that is voiceless.

Sounds like a left brainers POV again?

Yeah, that mist be it ... couldn't possibly be that I / we supported our daughter with Veganurary and with her help and guidance, have taken our heads out of the sand and voted with our lifestyle change and wallet?

Thank f*ck, so much crap to diss ...

Bwhahahaha!!!! You left brained trolls are *soooo* funny!

Veganism is probably on a bigger scale and worldwide so ... yeah ..

Awww, you worked me out, what a clever left brainer ... NOT!

How about this for crazy ...

Yeah, course it was ... I'm just following what I know to be the 'right thing'.

Exactly, and if you haven't got it yet, you never will.

And millions of others that *are* thinking about what choices we make in our lives.

That would certainly be nice when it came to the speciesism and cognitive dissonance people are labouring under.

It is, but we can be easily deceived and can be selfish and hedonistic.

Some certainly are.

Yup, even if they don't realise it yet.

Not your closed mindedness that's for sure.

FWIW I think the future, once the current political fads have passed, is diesel. Why? Electric range isn't greatly upgradable, the excess weight already wastes energy moving it about. We could grow a very fast charging network, but it would make the electricity expensive. Impractical cars have done over 10,000mpg. Electric cars can never get near that as the battery is heavy, ditto the chassis required to carry them. Diesel will always beat petrol on efficiency as no matter what engine technology is used, diesel can be pushed harder than petrol to give better efficiency. Emissions are ever improving, and electricity generation creates them too. The fuel cost advantage of electric is due to tax difference. Once that goes they'll be no cheaper to run.

NT

And there is the problem. You perceive your morals to be more "right" and that everyone else needs to be saved from their depravity.

...and when the crude runs out? OK not tomorrow or the next day but eventually it will run out, mind you I will be in my box then and won't care.

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Red diesel currently contains 10% of non mineral oils. Diesel worm spit!

I'm not sure you will please other Tim if you cut down the rest of the world's forests to produce more:-)

This topic needs a separate thread.

The extra weight means more particulates are produced than with a lighter diesel.

It would need investment, but the major cost has always been the fuel, or in the case of nuclear, the processing costs.

If EV owners had to pay the equivalent of fuel duty they would be far more expensive.

I think you will find that synthetic diesel, petrol, kerosene and gas made with throwaway surplus nuclear power in the summer, will be cheaper than batteries and renewable energy.

Like it or not, I think CO2 targets are currently nailing the lid on the fossil fuel coffin. For automotive use, fossil fuels will be phased out before they run out.

Tim

So you want to make polluting synthetic fuels from electricity rather than just put the electricity straight into EVs? That sounds efficient (not).

Tim

There's a lot of misunderstanding about this. Peak oil dates are spurious, derived from the failure to understand that oil prospecting is expensive, so oil companies only look for enough for a limited time ahead.

NT

They're not polluting if you've pulled the ingredients out of the atmos. If we had enough nukes to cover baseload+, then there'd be spare overnight capacity for making synfuels.

Expect civil unrest when chummy on the estate finds he can't run his cheapo 20 year old car or replace it.

in current engines, yes. PM emissions are improving, with further techs to come.

NT

It's a problem for you because you *think* you should have moral agency over all animals, even when there is no need.

It's not 'my', it's everyone who concedes that the majority of the population, especially in the Western world don't need to eat meat (milk / eggs) to survive and so don't to prevent all the animal suffering and exploitation.

Only those who have the choice and choose animal suffering and death over no animal suffering and death. Simples.

You tell me why animal suffering and death could be considered better or even equal than not by anyone that isn't a hedonist or psychopath?

Once:

That may well be, but if so it'll be purely a political decision. Political standpoints have a habit of changing.

NT

It's not. Nor is lugging round a tonne of batteries.

NT

I'm sure Oscar Wilde would agree; that morals change with the wind.

It took several generations to change a sexual act from a conviction with a few years of hard labour to complete innocence.

Midday by solar is very rarely the actual mid point of the average human's day in the UK.