OT: Travellers

They have rolled up in time for the bank holidays. they are probably around here too. What gets me is where are they the rest of the time if you don't hear of them causing trouble. Are they in fact aliens beamed down to keep people busy? Brian

Many in fact have proper houses, (mostly in Ireland.)

They are just scrounging, thieving gits.

In message , Davey writes

Probably the ones who caused chaos in and around Cromer a few days ago. The BBC report they have now moved on, to London, Essex and elsewhere.

In message , Brian Gaff writes

Holidays?

We had a modest invasion some years back. Spokesman said they had housing in Northumberland but were down South for the holidays.

Didn't stop the Leylandi trimmings and other dumped waste though.

The procedure for removal was interesting if expensive. The landowner has to prove ownership to a magistrates court. The court then issues a notice to quit delayed by 24 hours. A bailiff is sent to post the notice. Tow trucks are deployed but rarely used. More recently, this can be delayed if anyone is unwell/needing medical attention.

All this at cost to the owner of the land. The Police show interest but are impartial. In our case there was an opportunity to prosecute for criminal damage to the roadside field gate but dropped because there were no independent witnesses.

As a landowner, I have rather fixed ideas about trespass but also think it is beyond time for the law to move on. Ancient laws allowing travellers to put up on roadside land on the basis that it might be common land are surely superseded by compulsory land registration and internet access to that information.

The long term downside is field gates blocked physically with old machinery/tree trunks etc. which have to be removed and replaced for each field operation.

Hear, hear.

Some years ago they moved onto an old factory site near our house in St. Albans. Someone (*not* me) found a swift and effective means of moving them on; the first night one of the caravans was struck by half a gallon of paraffin. They left the following day.

And I repeat and emphasise that it was *not* me. Although I'd like to have shaken them by the hand.

Ah, some DIY content!

Was that with or without the involvement of matches?

Witnesses? Anyone wd have to be bold and courageous to stand witness. Shopkeepers etc in Cromer may have lost a lot of money in stolen stock and lost business but that's better than being burnt down/beaten up. So I don't see any real change until it made criminal trespass from the entry onto the land. Even then the police would face a nightmare. A Met sergeant told me 15 or so years what the risk assessment for a arrest/search warrants on an unlawful site with 20 or so vans called for. And that he'd love to put a dozen campaigners for travellers' rights in the front line.

As someone in our old village put it when referring to Smithy Fen: you need to go in mob-handed.

Well, there was definitely an ignition source. I have no idea what it was.

I was quite impressed with how the manager of some land dealt with some near where I was at the time, it was due to be built on but the development had stalled but it did mean that the area was leveled with a substantial Berm of earth around it . The manager got hold of some JCB's from another part of the much larger development and filled in the gap in the Berm before dawn just leaving enough width for pedestrians but trapping the vehicles in. And then had the two JCB's parked with drivers and some security guards by that gap forestalling any chance of the travelers digging out the entrance again. This seriously affected the travelers ability to leave and "earn" any income though they could still walk to the shops. After a day the travelers asked if he would let them out , the manager said yes providing they all went at once and put all their rubbish in a skip he would provide first. They were gone with no fuss.

As for fire bombing , well a small drone carrying a balloon full of petrol would avoid any vicious dogs but possibly not the exhaust of a generator.

G.Harman

En el artículo , Huge escribió:

preferably collected from the various sites they've polluted on their travels.

In message , Huge writes

The toxic filth are all in England for a while.

It would take a foolhardy farmer to resort to direct action. Matches and hay barns the obvious risk.

This was on a derelict industrial site.

The reason nothing is ever done to protect ordinary people from gypsies is that politicians of all parties are in the thrall of the leftist liberals who scream 'waaaasist!' and 'uman wites' all the time. Nobody cares about the rights of ordinary honest people. To get special treatment these days you have to be either black or brown or gay or an idle scrounger. If you're a hard working middle class white person you will be treated like s*it.

I'm speaking as someone who has just had a mauling from the police force that turned a blind eye to the rape of 1,400 of our local children.

And be careful what you say or write or do because anything attributable to you that offends or upsets anyone (according to them) makes you guilty of hate crime. Specifically, don't do any of the following to a gypsy:

Call names Make fun of Bully Frighten

So if you burst a paper bag behind a gypsy you can expect to be locked up.

Bill

Oh Bill, have you been growing waccy baccy in the henhouse again? :-)

Owain

Un-elected bureaucrats in Brussels? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Very few of the trouble makers are Romany - true Gipsies. Many of them are Irish, and exactly the same race as most English people.

Andy

In article , Tim Streater writes

Nah. Just hire a few Kosovan Albanians. They'll cut their balls off and feed them to their wives for a couple of hundred quid.