OT: Travellers

Visi- or Ostro-?

Just relax and let him do all the hard work ;-)

Owain

Is that an disingenuous way of agreeing with Bill?

Is an aerial rigger considered middle class now? That's equality for you.

Then perhaps you just need to lie there and think of England.

I sincerely hope I never have yours.

Perish the though.

Those who complain of minorities getting 'special treatment' should really try being one of those minorities to understand the downsides too - the reason why they may appear to get 'special treatment' through his blinkered eyes.

Skin colour doesn't matter at all. Otherwise we'd have to hate people who came back from holiday with a suntan. Oh wait a minute... Bill

The reality is that it is far harder to get the police to take an interest when a white person is being racially abused than when it's a brown or dark brown person. The reason is that the police are terrified of ignoring any complaints by ethnics in case someone shouts 'waaysist'. They are also very reluctant to pursue cases against ethnics for the same reason. I have this on good authority but I can't say what that authority is.

Bill

Apart from the fact that 'aerial rigger' isn't really an accurate description of what I did, social class is not determined solely or even largely by occupation. Other factors include income, housing, education, and family connections.

Bill

I've never tried Viagra. What's it like?

Bill

Don't forget I have had a lot of involvement with disability. I am currently advising a major venue on disability issues.

Bill

And of course business ownership - which is part of the earliest and clearest definitions of social class.

So he's a racist too, why can't he think of other countries, maybe racists aren;t that bright or don't know of other countries.

You mean because of envy?

The issue is they do get 'special treatment'. Many local authorities and government departments exploit a racist loophole that says they can employ minorities where prospective employees are of a same or similar standing. The converse is not true.

One of the worst cases I can see of related sexual inequality is for all female candidates for labour seats. It means that no one who might be called a Bliar's babe could ever get anywhere from the knowledge she had a head start on men. Her place will now always be a deputy. It also means the Tories are more likely to be gender blind and elect female PMs for their qualities, not just because they wear a skirt.

Yes. I did notice you purposely left out disability. So very unusual among those like you who rant on about others getting special treatment. Which is why I suggested you try being gay for a while. You'd then have to knock that one off your list.

Interesting thought. Right wing Tories don't want the EU having a say in things - but can't even choose their own best leader.

No wonder I prefer the idea of the EU having control over some things than this government.

Well they haven't got much to choose from have they.

Thing is I don't want the govenrment to contol anything with the peoples support but what things would you loike the EU to have control of , the tax on alcohol could be one.

And to tell tehb germans (well those in Berlin) to stop complaining that the fast food and coffee outlets are speaking English and not German. ;-)

Now who's going to call the Germans facists or racist ;-P

No need to be jealous of my status Dave. I'm sure you did your best.

Bill