Ot: Or not. tower fire...

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Yes - think back to the Falkands war.

[Robin]

Then you or others blaming "the EU" will be able to cite the Article in the relevant Directive then won't you? Go on, Directives - and Regulations - are all freely available. As are commentaries on them.

You'll no doubt already know the one with "Member States shall in addition take the necessary measures to ensure that when a building element that forms part of the building envelope and has a significant impact on the energy performance of the building envelope, is retrofitted or replaced, the energy performance of the building element meets minimum energy performance requirements in so far as this is technically, functionally and economically feasible." And I think you will find insulation which risks burning to death half the residents counts as neither technically nor economically feasible.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Or it could simply be a combination of all. If you are going to the bother of adding cladding for decorative purposes on something as difficult as a tower block, why not have it help insulation too, and perhaps weatherproofing?

[spuorgelgoog]

Actually I think we've just found that it *is* technically and economically feasible, it's been done.

As for "functional", well, the building's rather warmer now than it used to be.

Owain

[newshound]

A rocket motor will ignite just about anything. Aeroplane structures will burn up in the fuel fire, but is it all that easy to get thin aluminium cladding to burn, even in windy conditions? Sounds to me like timber or insulation was giving it a hand.

[newshound]

My thoughts too. Whether it is code compliant is the interesting question.

[Martin Brown]

The only time I have seen the situation arise. Car parked on a fire access point and fire engine wanting access for a 999 call the guy engaged low gear inched up to the cars bumper and shunted it ahead of him doing surprisingly little damage to the car in the process.

In this situation I'd support them totalling the obstructing car to enable high pressure water pumping to the dry risers. It is only bent metal against dozens of lives of people trapped in a burning building.

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

yes no chance of that being maintained ........fluff everywhere

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

not self extinguishing then .....

[tabbypurr]

Of course. But I bet the law would cause the fire truck driver to be sued for the damage.

NT

[The Natural Philosopher]

yeah, all 47,000 of them or whatever it is today.

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

the merrycans don't mess about ......

[Roger Hayter]

This may be so in Scotland, but in London such an ambition is totally unrealistic for most, at least any nearer to home than Gateshead. A slightly better flat is the height of most people's realistic ambitions.

[Roger Hayter]

Fridges have low average power but high inrush currents when the motor starts, making them difficult to protect against high fault currents.

[Jim GM4DHJ ...]

are explosives best kept in a refrigerator? ......

[Chris]

As a caring and conscientious international Socialist, you'll no doubt be wishing to assist with re-housing these homeless refugess, Dave? Why are you still tapping away on your keyboard when you could be collecting a selection of them in your Porsche to come and live with you?

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo , damduck- [e-mail] escribió:

Quote from the Grauniad:

"A former Tory housing minister warned MPs against beefing up fire safety regulations, because it could discourage house building"

"It says that five years after the coroner's report into the 2009 blaze in Camberwell called for developers refurbishing high-rise blocks to be encouraged to install sprinkler systems, Brandon Lewis told MPs"

wouldn't surprise me at all to find out he's a typical Tory slum landlord.

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo , Dave Plowman (News) escribió:

If you'd actually bothered to read the news before spouting off, you'd have known that the refurbishment was exactly that. A layer of insulation plus external cladding in aluminium panels to improve the appearance and to make the building more resistant to rain.

The finished article (if you look at before and after pics) is rather smart. Well, it was. Pity about its fire resistance.

[newshound]

Not strictly necessary to go through two windows in most cases, I would have thought. One rather suspects that the firemen enjoy doing that. And so would I.