Ot: Or not. tower fire...

sorry it's not working .....for me anyway

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The BREEAM pre-assessment says "Fire and carbon monoxide detectors will be installed in each flat", residents on the radio this morning said there was no central system and their own alarms only went off once they opened doors onto communal areas. The advice in case of a fire was to stay within individual flats and await rescue.

It has a dry riser that requires a fire tender to park directly at the base of the tower to pressurise hydrants on each floor, but presumably that requires fire fighters to enter the building and fight it from inside?

Well, it's good for the ozone layer ...

Why not?

The materials mentioned help the fire to spread etc, they don't cause it.

I'm not suggesting they should be used but whatever started this fire, it wasn't cladding etc.

Look: The issue of the ethnicity of who lived there and the nature of the community is not something that needs exploring until and unless there is clear evidence that it played a part.

Right now, absent of a cause, I am feeling angry at how such a death trap was allowed to pass building control.

In a real sense, along with people who have been hit by falling wind turbines or electrocuted by solar panels, these are just more victims of 'climate change'.

Perhaps it was started by abdullah trying to mix nitroglycerine in his flat.

Idle speculation that merely shows bigotry is not helpful.

I think it is ply with EPP and a steel surface

Only by full enquiries can quality systems work to establish the cause(s) and ensure it doesn't happen again.

..have been...

Probably.

All in the name of 'eco' regulations.

"'Climatet change' kills 50, Nuclar power kills no one"

En el artículo , Andy Burns escribió:

Which may have been difficult:

En el artículo , Brian Reay escribió:

Possibly this:

"highly distressed residents descended en masse on the estate office to demand action. They had woken to find smoke issuing from various electrical appliances in their homes, including the light fixtures, and descended in panic to the estate office to demand help and assistance"

Yes I saw that, in a building where there's a single entrance/exit that's required for emergency access, it's no use slapping wrists and issuing parking tickets, get a tow-truck there *every* time someone blocks the access.

it is about the only time anybody gives a toss about Building Control.....

The pictures from last night seemed to show molten material dripping down on fire from the panels which is how I'd expect polystyrene to behave, but some close-ups on ITV now seems to show the remnants are charred and crazed blocks more like I'd expect for PIR foam.

Council tenants don't appreciate their rented properties in general and would use the damage caused by such convnient damage causing devices to achieve their ultimate goal which is..."want own front and back door"

bloody computers...is anybody seeing these links? .....

But they are a well known risk and building engineering is supposed to control risks. A fire in a single flat in a conventional concrete block of high rise the damage is limited to those flats with adjoining walls to the affected flat with most damage to the one immediately above.

That is why the advice to residents is to stay put. But if you cover the outside of the building in oversize fire lighters this advice is wrong!

There is another oddity in the reports - the fire brigade are saying that they were unable to use the dry riser mains water supply in the building to fight the fire from the inside. Although with the exterior of the building well alight it isn't clear what good that would do.

Reports seem to suggest it was some sort of kitchen appliance fire in a flat on the fourth floor. But if that is the case then it is peculiar that the fire was able to spread to the external building cladding before the fire brigade were able to bring it under control. I suppose via an open window on a summer's night or something like that.

The premises appears to have a history of electrical surge problems:

Perhaps people who live in high rise buildings with flammable exterior cladding will need to be given advanced fire fighting training and a dry powder extinguisher in each flat to halt minor domestic fires at source. This is a serious suggestion - otherwise untrained people aim at the flames and not at the base of the fire where it will do some good.

I did, but it seems to be an unrelated tower with deeper insulation even than harry's dungeon.