Ot: Or not. tower fire...

[Andy Burns]

I suspect "3rd down" is rather a moveable feast on that thread at the moment, just that I couldn't see any mention of the specific cladding system named in the planning applications ...

From the documents linked lower down, the system named is "Reynobond rainscreen cassette" which (without the brand name) is the phrase used in the planning docs

polyethylene core ... yes that might melt and drip down in flames like the mobile phone footage seemed to show!

wonder if they specified the FR version, but the FE version got fitted?

[Andy Burns]

Yes, that was why I was querying as it didn't seem to match with the brand name that was posted up there ^^^ somewhere.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Not a full price tumble drier bought new, then? Something that is an essential in a tower block?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Its fairly clear that it wasn't very fireproof and some at least of it was inflammable. Of course aluminium burns at a sufficiently high temp as does steel..

[Andy Burns]

It seems fairly clear it *was* a fridge exploding, the neighbour of the flat next door on the 4th floor has been interviewed on TV

Maybe they opened windows when they should have just got out and closed the fire door?

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo , Andy Burns escribió:

Sorry, should have thought of that. This is a fixed url:

you can see the hangers for the panels, and bottom right, a cut-away section of the insulation. Looks like foil-backed foam or rockwool.

I seem to remember mention that the refurb contractor changed partway through the project. Cost-cutting? Crossed wires?

Pointless speculating really, it'll all come out in the wash eventually.

[Martin Brown]

Aluminium metal burns rather well once you get it going and like most metal fires it is hard to get started but even harder to put out.

I think the cladding AAA fire safety classification needs revisiting...

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Is a fridge catching fire common? Given they are such low powered devices, and the motor contained, you'd have thought a thermal fuse would have stopped this happening.

Seems there was smoke everywhere in the communal areas. Which really shouldn't happen even with just simple fire doors.

[The Natural Philosopher]

well last time you posted you said it was thermoplastic.

That doesn't cover rockwool, or polyisocyanurate.

It does cover polystyrene though.

Indeed, but whatever happened, there was more 'green' regulation pressure applied than fire safety regulation.

And it now seems that serious mistakes were made in access for emergency vehicles.

Heads should roll, but my guess is that they wont.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Indeed. If this was an air crash we could be sure of a reasonably thorough investigation and recommendations made.

[michael adams]

My mistake. I simply linked to the best site with technical information about ACM cassette cladding.

michael adams

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[michael adams]

Their fridge freezers catching fire was one of the first things which brought Beko to wider public attention.

Or more generally from the Daily Heil

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[Cursitor Doom]

I'm pretty sure you'll find it's an EU directive. I've seen this stuff going up the walls of blocks of apartments in German cities several years ago. It must massage the egos of the EU politburo to think they're doing something to reduce so-called "global warming" and I'm sure they've already collected their Nobel Prizes for their ignoble efforts.

Interesting that the BBC's early reports spoke of the cladding as being for enhanced insulation, but then rapidly changed it to simply for cosmetic purposes.

Conclusions: the EU has blood on its hands and,

The BBC are a bunch of filthy, lying, conniving bastards.

There. I've said it.

[Robin]

How do you *know* it was not mainly to prevent rain penetration? Rainscreen cladding became a common retrofit to tower blocks in the 1980s.

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo , The Natural Philosopher escribió:

No, I didn't, ffs. You can't parse quoting, amongst your many other failings.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Because, as with new windows having to meet DG specs, new cladding has to meet insulation specs, and cladding like this outside is WAY cheaper (and doesnt make inside rooms smaller) than internal insulation

[Cursitor Doom]

I'm pretty sure you'll find it's an EU directive. I've seen this stuff going up the walls of blocks of apartments in German cities several years ago. It must massage the egos of the EU politburo to think they're doing something to reduce so-called "global warming" and I'm sure they've already collected their Nobel Prizes for their ignoble efforts.

Interesting that the BBC's early reports spoke of the cladding as being for enhanced insulation, but then rapidly changed it to simply for cosmetic purposes.

Conclusions: the EU has blood on its hands and,

The BBC are a bunch of filthy, lying, conniving bastards.

There. I've said it.

[Robin]

Yes, thank you, I do have that knowledge of the building regulations. But I was responding to "early reports spoke of the cladding as being for enhanced insulation". And to the insinuation that but for the EU there'd have been no interest in thermal insulation, so it cannot possible be the fault of - say - crappy sub-contractors not following the specification.

[Cursitor Doom]

The stuff I saw appeared to be made from some form of expanded polystyrene about 11" thick with a very thin skim of render over the outside of it. I'm not saying they would have used regular polystyrene of course, but whatever they treated it with is clearly not up to the job. Putting this mess to rights across Europe will cost billions. Let's hope to f*ck we're out of it before the bill comes in.

[tabbypurr]

but too afraid to get sued out of everything to ever do it. Might require a legal change.

NT