OT: EU and Canada

It also gives the lie that the UK making trade agreements after we finally leave the EU will be straightforward. Unless we want to get stuffed, of course.

And the US one fell through too.

The signs of how difficult it is to agree a decent trade deal are there for all to see. Excepting the blinkered BREXIT lot, of course.

No-one has ever said it is easy getting a trade deal with the EU - that's one good reason for leaving, so that we can do our own trade deals more quickly.

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Remoaner misrepresentation again.

Yes, the signs are there all right. Of just how dysfunctional the EU actually is. Good job we're leaving, eh? Especially as their telling DC to bugger off earlier in the year also highlights something - how uninterested they are in listening to the people and considering changing.

No, it shows how it will be a lot easier than the EU has managed.

But it seems the EU are happy with the Canada deal. Just not one part of a country in the EU.

I can imagine you being happy with a UK deal that stuffed part of the UK, though.

No surprise you're one of those optimists who think the UK will make trade agreements easily round the world. Head in the clouds as usual.

The entire world just can't wait for all those killer products they can only buy from the UK. Here's a list of them:-

The EU may, as you say, be dysfunctional but they hold most of the cards.

Nigel Farage's claim during the referendum campaign that the EU would be forced to trade with a post-Brexit UK (if only to appease German car unions) was mostly bluster.

As one EU commissioner said a few days ago, the EU is partly driven by romantic notions of a united Europe and is likely to be more intransigent than sheer logic would dictate. And that's only after overcoming any pockets of objectors like Wallonia.

The UK represents only 8 to 17% of EU exports (hi-lo range) and that's set to decline as the pound's value continues to fall. So the value of EU exports to the UK are hardly going to be a killer negotiating lever for us.

We will make deals easily with non-EUSSR countries.

In relative terms it will be

The list of things that we want to make sure are "protected" after the deal will be tiny (in number of product classes, not in value, of course)

But when the EU tries to make a deal each of the 28 countries has their own list of things to protect, that when added together makes a large set that's very difficult for the other side to compromise on.

tim

being "unhappy" and having a power to veto because you are unhappy, are not the same thing

tim

Well whoopy-do! I'm not interested in your spinning - there is no EU_Canada deal and not likely to be.

So what evidence do *you* have that this will be difficult? When there's already quiet a long list of countries that have expressed interest in such deals?

Fine, then we can start by using WTO rules. You're also overlooking that as we speak, there are no tariffs between the UK and the rest of Europe. Easiest thing for everyone is actually to leave that in place.

Well of course they have, they have something to gain, it does not mean the uUK (unUnited kingdom) has anything to gain.

We will, just as we will keep freedom of movement. The EU is not going to give free trade without it. Its about time brexiteers woke up to reality.

Taint gunna happen, because if they did that, plenty of others would leave too, those that pay in more then the EU hands back.

I'm more concerned about applying limits to free movement of people for non-work purposes than accepting EU regulations (although EU wasted money is not easy to stomach).

I would like to see more restrictions on immigrants but the economic cost of doing that might be very expensive. That's why I think on balance Remain is best.