OT: And yet another reason to go vegan (if any more were needed). ;-(

Agreed, but you're over 18 more times more likely to be deficient in B12 being a vegan, than being a meat eater.

Up to a point.

Many multivitamins contain the recommended daily dose (or whatever similar assessment they apply) which might be 3 micrograms, or less, a day.

Some of us need more than that.

Also, the nature of a multivitamin can be a poor way of supplementing. For example, many contain iron compounds, which have a tendency to reduce availability of other constituents.

Most of us absorb B12 by a route involving intrinsic factor produced in the stomach. At most (typically) we can absorb 10 or so micrograms a day. - limited by the IF we make.

I usually take 1000 microgram tablets. Vastly more than I can absorb but the rest (maybe 990 micrograms or more) will go straight through!

No it's solid advice. Just because someone eats meat doesn't mean they are getting enough B12, or are any better off health wise ...

Sure, but that wouldn't necessarily be balanced by just eating meat. Some people simply can't absorb B12 from consuming things that contain it, meat or otherwise. So it's not just 'vegans' who need to be aware of their B12 levels but *everyone*.

Sure, hence why many vegan foods are also supplemented.

Ok.

You hope ... you hope that the excess doesn't have some detrimental side effect?

So to compensate for not eating meat vegan eat food pumped full of stuff to make up for the missing nutrients. Doesn?t sound healthy or sustainable. All those vitamin pill bottles made out of plastic being shipped around.

No wonder the veg choppers are always so unhappy they must be worried sick about their health as well as being malnourished.

No. However, I understand that wartime food regulations were very strict, it's my impression that at that time only licensed slaughtermen could slaughter animals. This was at a time when pig bins were still on the streets and food rationing was more severe than when the war was being fought.

Given your ignorance of the EU despite spending all of your adult life in it, I'm not surprised you've never heard of the so-called Common Agricultural Policy and the untold billions that were consumed by it.

But, of course, vegans are 18 times more likely to be B12 deficient.

You'll have seen the reference.

Why the licensing? Odd when you consider that young men were encouraged to go abroad and slaughter humans.

By definition remoaners know less about te EU than anyone else. How else could they still support it?

Presumably to keep slaughtermen in line, and not slaughter (illegal) unlicensed animals on the side. Wartime food regulations were very strict, and there were regulations against any form of food waste - hence the pig bins.

Pigs are the best recyclers of organic waste. They turn almost any old muck into bacon and fertilizer. It was a shame when pigs swill was deemed a health hazard because of what a few people were putting in it.

but they didn't have to eat the result

I am not a financier:-) However, that CAP tax money was largely given to farmers and landowners in exchange for allowing their produce to be sold at low prices while surplus wine, milk, cereals etc. were managed. Set aside/greening etc. eventually brought these surpluses under better control. The money would largely have been spent within the community; farm labour, machinery, early retirement schemes etc. So would have found a route back to the various exchequers.

I am not sure if this equates to consumed?

We already had compensation paid to growers for some crops when the market price fell below an agreed level.

Anyway we have somebody to blame for Brexit.

CAP locked us into a regime, which while it had some merits as you are surely aware, was not necessarily what was optimal for UK farmers.And that is the problem with a one size fits all policy across extremely diverse geographical regions and climates. Now at least we can have the debate as to whether wild flowers are more important than cereal crops and whether sheep may safely graze the uplands ,or they be left to knobby kneed urban hikers.

Turkeys are not intelligent . Trust me.

And many will have suffered PTSD because whilst in the cold light of day their training will have done what has happened to us over the years, the 'normalising' our part the death of other animals, past that, the full horror of that responsibility can be overwhelming.

In the old days soldiers were told / expected-to just 'suck it up' and so quietly went mental or killed themselves, now they are encouraged to come forward with their issues and are given suitable counseling.

The exact same has happened to farmers or slaughtermen, where they can't cope with the distress caused as a result of their actions and chuck it all in.

It isn't *natural* for humans to kill, each other or other animals, especially in a well structured and functioning society. Most people would be distressed if they see say another person or dog being hurt but don't often get the chance to see the hurt as suffered by many livestock and even if they do, have been conditioned to accept it as 'that's just how it is', what 'has to happen' to be able to eat meat ... rather than considering the bigger picture that is that it isn't a commodity, 'meat', it's another living creature that has had it's life taken from it because that's 'just what we do' (when it's only what we are doing now, certainly at these levels).

As likely as a Turkey voting for Xmyth ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

From where did you get this particular fairy story?